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OVM vs. Neuropeptide Facial Cream

Started 1389446473.66 in Perricone MD | Last reply 1391530506.717 by smokymtngal

This line is getting extremely confusing for me I am currently using Neuropeptide Facial Cream since 2009. OVM states 81% saw a reduction of fine lines and wrinkles NFC states 82% reported an improvement in fine lines and wrinkles.

OVM description states:

Why is it different: OVM is enhanced with eggshell membrane, vitamin A, and Dr. Perricone's unique carrier system to create a powerful bio-matrix technology. After 4 weeks of use in a consumer-use study of OVM, 81% of participants saw a reduction in the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles which gave their skin a younger appearance.

Neuropeptide Facial Cream description states:

Who is it for: All skin types. 82% of users reported an improvement in the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles, 70% reported their skin is firmer, and 85% reported their skin had a better glow.

I understand there are different ingredients in both, but, I wonder which one I should use for my fine lines and deep wrinkles?

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lyn in MI1389456583.30324050 PostsRegistered 4/29/2007SW Michigan
patf - I haven't watched the TSV presentation, but if QVC is placing the emphasis on "fine lines and wrinkles" with OVM, I'm a bit confused by that. If you surf over to perriconemd.com, you will see that the OVM video refers to improvements in "volume, cushion and firmness." There is no mention of wrinkles. There have been studies of hydrolyzed eggshell membrane. One article I read stated, Human skin has two types of collagen, one is type I collagen which forms heavy fibers to support tissue structure, the other is type III collagen which forms fine fibers to give tissue flexibility. Fetus and baby’s skin are rich of type III collagen, which however are decreasing as aging. The clinical study I read showed that the use of hydrolyzed eggshell membrane increased the production of type III collagen.

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henderson1389456828.65334 PostsRegistered 10/4/2008

If you want a critique of some of Perricone's products, go to the website Beautypedia.

serenity4e­ver1389457091.2932041 PostsRegistered 11/4/2013

I have found his products overlap and it is confusing to say the least.{#emotions_dlg.sad}

patf1389457590.713806 PostsRegistered 6/20/2006
On 1/11/2014 lyn in MI said: patf - I haven't watched the TSV presentation, but if QVC is placing the emphasis on "fine lines and wrinkles" with OVM, I'm a bit confused by that. If you surf over to perriconemd.com, you will see that the OVM video refers to improvements in "volume, cushion and firmness." There is no mention of wrinkles. There have been studies of hydrolyzed eggshell membrane. One article I read stated, Human skin has two types of collagen, one is type I collagen which forms heavy fibers to support tissue structure, the other is type III collagen which forms fine fibers to give tissue flexibility. Fetus and baby’s skin are rich of type III collagen, which however are decreasing as aging. The clinical study I read showed that the use of hydrolyzed eggshell membrane increased the production of type III collagen.

Thanks lyn I went over to the Perricone website and watched the video it surely does not mention anything about fine lines and wrinkles. I haven't watched a presentation of the TSV I only read the QVC description and it does mention it helps with fine lines and wrinkles.

I would have to assume that Perricone's website is the accurate description so I will pass on the OVM and continue with the NFC.


gazelle771389457794.8735998 PostsRegistered 3/1/2013

If it is all THAT COMPLICATED... when it should not be... it should make you wonder shouldn't it??? $174.00 is a lot of money for three small products....!!! you would be better off putting that money down on some injections or botox.

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smokymtngal1389466602.452713 PostsRegistered 12/8/2007

Lyn, you have made me re-evaluate the OVM product. I have more of a problem with firmness than I do wrinkles. So when all the products say they are for wrinkles, I tend to pass. In your opinion, which current Perricone product (for firmness) would the OVM replace (or be used in combination with, perhaps)?

patf1389474587.877806 PostsRegistered 6/20/2006
On 1/11/2014 smokymtngal said:

Lyn, you have made me re-evaluate the OVM product. I have more of a problem with firmness than I do wrinkles. So when all the products say they are for wrinkles, I tend to pass. In your opinion, which current Perricone product (for firmness) would the OVM replace (or be used in combination with, perhaps)?


I'm not Lyn, but, I highly recommend the Neuropeptide Facial Cream for firmness. Since using this (2009) I can't pinch even a millimeter of the skin on my face. I make sure I bring it down below my jawline.

smokymtngal1389479081.1032713 PostsRegistered 12/8/2007
On 1/11/2014 patf said:
On 1/11/2014 smokymtngal said:

Lyn, you have made me re-evaluate the OVM product. I have more of a problem with firmness than I do wrinkles. So when all the products say they are for wrinkles, I tend to pass. In your opinion, which current Perricone product (for firmness) would the OVM replace (or be used in combination with, perhaps)?


I'm not Lyn, but, I highly recommend the Neuropeptide Facial Cream for firmness. Since using this (2009) I can't pinch even a millimeter of the skin on my face. I make sure I bring it down below my jawline.

patf, thank you for your response. I tried the neuropeptide facial cream years ago and don't remember liking it (maybe it was the smell, not sure). I do use and like the neuropeptide firming moisturizer but that's probably not as firming. I may have to give the NFC another try unless someone here can tell me if the OVM is just as good or better.

Elektra1389546876.4573 PostsRegistered 4/6/2013

Hi, Everyone

At the end of last night, I put the TSV on hold becuase I was also confused about the information I heard from Dana and information from the website. I hoped that by waiting I could stop at the NY store and get definitive information from their specialists and with their help might be able to figure this out. But that was just a wild dream, because when I called the store I was told that it was no longer open. (and there was no explanation as to why the NY location had closed).

So by phone, I gave the specialist a specific list of my biggest issues in descending order and as they pertained to the TSV -- beginning with a loss of firmness and my desire to restore the cushion, sagging of the jawline and a slight turkey neck, crepiness on the eyelids and crows feet around the eyes, fine lines, and general winter dryness. Her responses were rather startling.

Her recommended list totaled 8 items, and not one included Sub D, NP Facial Cream, OVM, the eye treatment, Photo Plasma, Cold Plasma or the NP Facial Cream. When questioned, she said that "individual products targeted to treat specific areas were much more successful." Not only is this is contrary to what's happenning throughout the entire skin care industry for more than a decade, the success of products that multi-task is evidenced by the sales of Cold Plasma, which the Perricone website still touts as their #1 best selling product of all time; and she said that Cold Plasma was a waste of time.

Now ladies, get ready for the next two: the specialist also said that Sub D was only for women with double chins, and didn't do anything to improve a sagging jawline or turkey neck, and that since I live in NYC that any SPF was unnecessary in winter and I wouldn't need it until April.

Later, in the day, in the middle of one of the TSV shows,Dana picked up a tube of the NPFC, and placed it very deliberately on tope of the OVM jar, saying, "I would never go a day without these two."

Shortly after that she talked about the instructions on the tube of the NP Facial Cream. They say that "Dr. Perricone recommends patting gently on targeted areas of the face…cheeks forehead and jawline. I've followed those instructions -- for years. But, today Dana said that the NPFC should be applied to the entire face and rubbed agressively into the skin, not patted. Referring to the tube, she said: "The instructions are wrong," and referring to the Perricone people, "I don't know why no one listens to me about this." Am I the only one who's patting targeted areas? If this is news to you too, begin applying to your entire face and as she said, massage it in.

So -- The website information is different than the host information and different than the specialist's informaton; and where is Dr. Perricone in all this? He's not a scientist, rarely appears on the show (unlike Peter Thomas Roth, Dr. Gross and Dr. Denese), and when he does, he barely speaks. It appears that the company is very disorganized and that there are communication as well as quality control issues.

As dreadful as it may sound, is it possible that the QVC selling technique (like many other manufacturers') is to deliberately, and always with equal intensity and fanfare, regularly present us with the newest, greatest and most important breakthrough of the day, and suggest that the product that was wonderful last month is now outdated and not good enough? Yes, of course, they would, and that's just fine -- as long as they're straightforward, consistent, and give us specific information so we can make educated choices. Are you listening Dr P? We shoudn't have to guess as much as we do with your products. The point should be to build a strong and loyal customer base.

But, there is no other skin care line on QVC, or in the retail market, that introduces so many new products in the same space of time; and that in and of itself is problematic unless there is a strong team in place. Having said all that….

This newest group is exciting, but I don't want to throw my money away as I did with NPFC. So, anyone with feedback or insight into this problem of inconsistent and overlapping iinformation, please come forward with your thoughts -- and if you know of a skin care line that will pick my neck and jawline off the floor, please share it with me. It's dropping as we speak!

DualCoasts1389572709.603286 PostsRegistered 6/10/2013

I don't know what to say, Elektra, because I hear you on all counts....and patf, the line has been confusing to me also, for some time, as I've voiced in several posts over the past many months.

It's frustrating that a brand with so many good products can seemingly implode when it comes to organizing its product information.

But I think the absolute icing on the cake of Perricone Confusion is that a Perricone specialist who handles phone inquiries told you (Elektra) that "cold plasma is a waste of time."

Wow.

joyful10131389573795.242 PostsRegistered 1/12/2014

I agree with Electra, the use of multiple products, the order of application and the intended results are very confusing. I have seen a difference in my skin which has encouraged me to try new products, but what replaces what? Does the application of any products reduce the efficiency of another? The directions with the product does not match what Dana recommends on QVC. Which one is right? These products are not inexpensive and need to be clearly defined including application method and order. I expect professional service with these products.


patf1389629078.707806 PostsRegistered 6/20/2006

Electra thanks for posting your experience it must have been very frustrating for you.

DualCoasts I have read your posts and agree with you regarding the organization of it's product information.

I have not purchased a "new" Perricone product since the Cold Plasma was introduced. I will continue using my tried and true neuropeptide products that work for me.

NascarGirl1389637274.0075129 PostsRegistered 12/28/2008Changes..just add water.

Im confused too, but then I've just started using his line. I read your posts, read reviews and blogs but goodness sakes there are SO many different moisturizers that seem to claim the same thing, addressing this or that issue. I don't know if they are targeted or just a daily use. If they are a treatment for long term benefits or maintaining. As a newbie its a little overwhelming!!!

I ordered the TSV that should arrive today so Im looking forward to seeing what/how my skin reacts. The only products I have used by PMD is his Deep Wrinkle Serum and NP firming moisturizer which I have to admit has made a huge difference in my skin. Been using EVERYTHING Philosophy for years but my skin has just stalled out and decided to make the move to PMD.

Thank you all for the informative posts...

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lyn in MI1389642380.1624050 PostsRegistered 4/29/2007SW Michigan
Elektra - I feel that the most reliable information about Cold Plasma Sub-D is by PerriconeMD. The information provided clearly states that Cold Plasma Sub-D addresses the "jawline, chin and neck." The information on the Cold Plasma SubD website states:

The Science of Cold Plasma
Cold Plasma Sub-D is a proven, effective, neck rejuvenation treatment formulated to provide a visibly firmer appearance to the chin, jawline and neck areas.

Designed by board-certified dermatologist and world-renowned healthy-aging expert, Dr. Nicholas Perricone, Cold Plasma Sub-D utilizes powerful actives suspended in a revolutionary patented delivery system for maximum nutrient uptake.

Results you can expect to see:
1 Visibly tightening of the appearance of sagging, loose skin and improved appearance of double chin.
2 Visibly more crisp appearance of the chin and jawline, imparting an overall more youthful looking face.
3 Visibly improved appearance of lines and wrinkles on the neck and décolletage with noticeable improvement in overall skin texture.

I acquire information about PerriconeMD products in the following online locations:

1. Perriconemd.com has a page that will recommend a regimen, based on your primary complexion concern. You can access it be clicking right HERE

2. Perriconemd.com has a page with Dr. Perricone's Application Protocol that shows the order of application of his products. The protocol is available for download right HERE

3. I love the Perricone Blog!! You can search for any ingredient or product you are interested in. I just ran a search for RetinA on his blog and you can access the results of my search right HERE

Perricone Flagship locations are listed @ perricomemd.com and the information posted clearly states that the NYC Flaghip is now closed. There used to be one California Flagship and now there are two.

My experience has taught me that it's best not to rely on any SA or CSR for important information about an item I'm interested in. They can only share what they devoted the time to learn about a product, and I certainly don't want to make a buying decision based on their often limited (and sometimes prejudiced) knowledge.

loa, I can share my personal experience with Cold Plasma Face. I used to battle redness. CPF totally resolved that issue for me, so in my case it is definitely not a waste of time in my skin care routine.

@(-_-)@ ~lyn~
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DualCoasts1389657818.457286 PostsRegistered 6/10/2013

The brand is messed up when it comes to product information and marketing communications. I used to be concerned that it would get sold off (rumored for a long time now) and the product quality might suffer. No more. Now I think the sooner it's wholly acquired the better.

I want to have confidence in a skincare company in which I invest what I consider very serious money on a regular basis. Simple as that.

shoekitty1391314983.27311497 PostsRegistered 8/10/2006

I love perricone, and that is almost all I use now.. However, I may have spectacular eesults because I don't follow the instructions always, LOL. I have found the QVC instructions online to be different than what is on the bottle. What is on the bottle can be different than what a cs agent tells you. I never watch the QVC demos, I buy online that is it. I go for the free shipping, I go to the store that mrrebates gives the largest rebate, or where I can get a deal. Simple as that.

The NPFC I use all over the face. I do pat and then lightly massage in, because when you pat it on (Like laMer) it delivers the product more even and sparingly. A tube of NPFC lasts me 6-7 months. I use it in the day, and once in a while at night.

I am 66, have very sensitive skin, pores that can enlarge. I have fair/med skin with faded freckles. If I use the wrong product, I get acne or clogged pores.

This is my routine that keeps my skin firm, clear and radiant

Nutritive cleanser (morning and night)

cold plasma (morning) apply 1st after cleansing

AFFA, I apply morning only, second product.. all over face

AG eye lid serum, morning and night

NPFC, on face morning only

sub D neck on neck, morning and night.

at night I alternate between High Potency evening repair and the condensed restorative cream.

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smokymtngal1391530506.7172713 PostsRegistered 12/8/2007

I finally called Perricone CS to ask how I would incorporate OVM into my normal routine. She told me the product was mainly to plump up thinning skin. It did not replace anything in the line and could be used morning and/or night. She told me if I'm using the high potency amine face lift and the high potency evening repair, the OVM would go on first and then the two treatment products I normally use.

I've decided to pass on the OVM for now. Perricone still has the special on his website with the OVM and the photo plasma, in case anyone is interested.

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