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What Vitamin C are you using?

Started 1391830705.09 in Beauty Banter | Last reply 1391905294.967 by vaccinia

I've been a hard-core fan of Jan Marini C-esta for years. But it's SO darn pricey. Surely that's an area where I can save some skincare money. We've recently talked about good stable C incorporated into our regimens, knowing how C is vital for equalizing skin tone and collagen building.

I'm looking into Timeless 20% Vitamin C + E Ferulic Acid Serum 1 oz, prepared fresh with each order. Our beloved HotandFlashy on youtube said she did her homework on stable C products and decided on this one-- I personally think she has some great tips for those of us rowing in the 50 plus boat. You can check out her routine right here--- tried & true science-based anti-aging products... logical & very simple really. I did find a few surprises.

Timeless C claims to last for 3 months and it's $24.95 w/free ship, sold by Amazon. That's 1/4 of what I pay for 1 oz of my loved JM.

Anyway, curious as to what C formula YOU'RE using. Please share! I hope this isn't a terribly redundant question... mine usually are. :)


-By grace alone through faith alone-

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BellaCarro1391831262.4577075 PostsRegistered 10/1/2011Atlanta
It's been asked before but it's a very relevant topic, IMO. I use and love the C serum from NCN. I've researched them to e moon and back and this is the one I am happy with. In the past I've used NuFountain and a few others. Curiously, the one you're considering sounds exactly like NuFountain. Wonder if they've changed or added a name. How is it packaged? Best is in a dark bottle with a pump so no air can get in and oxidize it. Also, does she mention the ph level?

BeckiWV1391831807.932491 PostsRegistered 4/12/2011

MUAC (Makeup Artists Choice) Vitamin C Serum. It has really lightened some of my spots. I got it in early December and use it on my face and hands.

Funloving1391833191.5937156 PostsRegistered 3/4/2007
On 2/7/2014 BellaCarro said: It's been asked before but it's a very relevant topic, IMO. I use and love the C serum from NCN. I've researched them to e moon and back and this is the one I am happy with. In the past I've used NuFountain and a few others. Curiously, the one you're considering sounds exactly like NuFountain. Wonder if they've changed or added a name. How is it packaged? Best is in a dark bottle with a pump so no air can get in and oxidize it. Also, does she mention the ph level?

Hi BellaCarro. This comes in a dark blue bottle. That's the only caveat I see so far. I would assume a super dark amber would be better for stabilization. You can check out the bottle here.

-By grace alone through faith alone-

cyndog1391834375.4431940 PostsRegistered 10/8/2010California Desert
Adrienne Landau.

MarenSeatt­le1391834464.1531918 PostsRegistered 10/19/2013
On 2/7/2014 Funloving said:
On 2/7/2014 BellaCarro said: It's been asked before but it's a very relevant topic, IMO. I use and love the C serum from NCN. I've researched them to e moon and back and this is the one I am happy with. In the past I've used NuFountain and a few others. Curiously, the one you're considering sounds exactly like NuFountain. Wonder if they've changed or added a name. How is it packaged? Best is in a dark bottle with a pump so no air can get in and oxidize it. Also, does she mention the ph level?

Hi BellaCarro. This comes in a dark blue bottle. That's the only caveat I see so far. I would assume a super dark amber would be better for stabilization. You can check out the bottle here.

BC and Funloving -- the other day someone posted/asked about Brad Biophotonic skin care and of course I had to go check it out. Here's what he has to say about his packaging -- a new twist! :-)

Biophotonics All BRAD products are packaged in Biophotonic Violet glass. While exposure to light changes and accelerates the molecular decaying process, Biophotonic technology employs light to stimulate cellular activity. By packaging our concentrated, active formulations in violet glass, damaging rays are filtered out while violet light is able to penetrate and continue to activate and energize the molecules so maintaining the potency of our formulations at a high level over an extended period of time.

Wonder if there's anything to it? I keep all my serums (anything in non-opaque packaging, actually) in a cupboard or drawer (or the fridge) to protect against those dreaded UVs. Even non-direct sunlight in our bathroom is suspect in my mind. If you can see without turning on the light, there are UV rays lighting up the space.

Over the top, I know. :-)

JeanLouise­Finch1391834720.2538923 PostsRegistered 10/3/2011

There are many threads on this topic. You'll probably find lots of info if you use the search feature.

My favorite is Mad Hippie Vitamin C serum. It's a great combination of ingredients and uses a form of Vitamin C (Sodium Ascobyl Phosphate/SAP) that's considered less irritating and more stable than the usual L-Ascorbic Acid.

MarenSeatt­le1391834876.5831918 PostsRegistered 10/19/2013
Holy cow, Funloving! I just checked out the C-esta! Pricy is right! Thankfully, I'm not tempted because it has dimethicone in it (why, I wonder). I'm going to try the NCN C, BellaCarro has sold me, and Nanci has impressed me as well. I'm glad you're moving on -- think of what else you can get with your money. I'm hoping you find another that you love just as much!

MarenSeatt­le1391834959.2931918 PostsRegistered 10/19/2013
On 2/7/2014 JeanLouiseFinch said:

There are many threads on this topic. You'll probably find lots of info if you use the search feature.

My favorite is Mad Hippie Vitamin C serum. It's a great combination of ingredients and uses a form of Vitamin C (Sodium Ascobyl Phosphate/SAP) that's considered less irritating and more stable than the usual L-Ascorbic Acid.

Yep, Mad Hippie and NCN seem to be the reigning faves around here. I know you love it.

BellaCarro1391836260.847075 PostsRegistered 10/1/2011Atlanta
Wow, that C esta is pricey. IMO, the ingredients do not warrant the price. Dimethicone, parabens, no other good antioxidants. I'm not sold on DMAE either. Really, none of the ingredients are very expensive. The ingredients in NCN's are much better and the price is too! You can def find a better C at a better price, OP.

Funloving1391839749.3577156 PostsRegistered 3/4/2007

Marenseattle & BellaCarro - Thanks for the info on JM's C-esta. Bless my cotton socks... I must have had my head up my.... I was going on such great results alone. But yowza, parabens (and not as troubling to me0 dimethicone). You bet I can do much better.

I guess I started buying this before I was diligent about reading ingredient decks but I KNOW BETTER NOW. lol

I've tried the other pricier brands.. and the results of C-Esta have been SO MUCH better. My skin truly glows, is plumped and supple.... BUT I've run out, and won't be wasting my money on these gnarly ingredients again! I knew I wouldn't be buying it before you pointed this out... Even if it works like a charm... SO not worth it!

Thanks again! I feel so stupid {#emotions_dlg.blushing} since I pride myself on staying up on everything in a product. I struck the Timeless C off my list too, due to some unnecessary ingredients. I'll take a look at the threads and find something sans harmful ingredients. I'm still in research mode. I need to find one soon as C is an important part of my regimen.

-By grace alone through faith alone-

Funloving1391840234.9537156 PostsRegistered 3/4/2007

Thanks to all who answered. I'll be checking them out, along with the ingredient deck.

:)

Have a great weekend, and for those of you in frigid weather like I am... STAY WARM!

-By grace alone through faith alone-

MarenSeatt­le1391846116.0971918 PostsRegistered 10/19/2013
On 2/8/2014 Funloving said:

Thanks to all who answered. I'll be checking them out, along with the ingredient deck.

:)

Have a great weekend, and for those of you in frigid weather like I am... STAY WARM!

I wonder what it is in the C-Esta that gave you such better results than the other lines you tried. That rarely happens for me -- the wowza results. Let us know what you decide and the results!

Harpa1391865412.5876890 PostsRegistered 6/28/2007

Devita is my C of choice (17%). I don't need it to be coupled w/ ferulic acid. About $27 @ Vitacost.

Ingredients: Aloe barbadensis* (aloe vera gel), Camellia sinensis (Japanese green tea) leaf extract, ricinus communis (castor) seed oil, citric acid, L-ascorbic acid (vitamin C), magnesium ascorbyl phopshate, medica limonum (lemon) peel oil, citrus aurantium dulcis (orange) peel oil, ubiquinone (CoQ10), D-beta glucosamine. *Certified Organic.

Don't forget a healthy dose/intake of vitamin C as well, not just with supplements, but in your colored fruits & vegetables.

pas41161391866421.883169 PostsRegistered 9/14/2011

This is what I use, Shea Terra Rosewater Ester C Collagen Spray:

http://www.sheaterraorganics.com/Rose-Water-Ester-C-Collagen-Regeneration-Facial-Mist_p_46.html

This is a wonderful rose water spray, all natural and reasonably priced. It smells divine.

hopi1391867908.0410691 PostsRegistered 11/26/2006

Funloving,

I use the Isomers Vitamin C products cleanser, peel, eye, face & neck creams. At first I used them all together for a full effect, now just one or 2 of the products in the morning or evening to keep up the results.

UMTerpFan1391870703.8171569 PostsRegistered 3/26/2010

I saw Hot N Flashy's video on Youtube after someone on Essential Day Spa's forum mentioned her video's so I bookmarked that vitamin C serum to try. I also want to try NCN's Vitamin C with glutathione so I'm not sure which one I will order once I finish up what I'm using which is M-61 Vitablast C-which I don't think is anything special and I don't plan to reorder.

PS, I do like SkinActives Vitamin C which only runs about $15.00. I've reordered a couple of times but I like to try new products too so that's why I plan to try the other two vitamin c's mentioned above.

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myshell6241391872878.511124 PostsRegistered 2/27/2013

I am currently using Mad Hippie but may go back to Isomers vitamin c stem serum when I finish it. I do get a brightening with the Mad Hippie but seem to get more evening and brightening from the Isomers serum. Maybe my skin likes the different forms of vitamin c Manuela uses.

BellaCarro1391874227.897075 PostsRegistered 10/1/2011Atlanta
On 2/8/2014 Funloving said:

Marenseattle & BellaCarro - Thanks for the info on JM's C-esta. Bless my cotton socks... I must have had my head up my.... I was going on such great results alone. But yowza, parabens (and not as troubling to me0 dimethicone). You bet I can do much better.

I guess I started buying this before I was diligent about reading ingredient decks but I KNOW BETTER NOW. lol

I've tried the other pricier brands.. and the results of C-Esta have been SO MUCH better. My skin truly glows, is plumped and supple.... BUT I've run out, and won't be wasting my money on these gnarly ingredients again! I knew I wouldn't be buying it before you pointed this out... Even if it works like a charm... SO not worth it!

Thanks again! I feel so stupid {#emotions_dlg.blushing} since I pride myself on staying up on everything in a product. I struck the Timeless C off my list too, due to some unnecessary ingredients. I'll take a look at the threads and find something sans harmful ingredients. I'm still in research mode. I need to find one soon as C is an important part of my regimen.

Don't feel stupid! You got great results for whatever reason. I made many mistakes before I became diligent about reading ingredient decks. I still do. It's aggravating, though. Now, I go to stores and I know a lot more than the people selling it! I get some real annoyed and deer in headlights looks from s/a's now.

ednapsych1391874624.331147 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004

Currently using NCN. I used Mad Hippie just prior to this. I wanted to try both as they are both highly thought of on this board. I am very happy with both and I am so grateful for the knowledgeable ladies on this board for educating me on the whole area of Vit C. Had a pimple pop up when I first started with NCN, but that reaction has resolved itself. I really don't seen any difference in the two other than the consistency...Mad Hippie is more like a cool drink of water, and spreads so well. NCN is liquid y, but you have to work fast and spread it around or it dries too fast. I won't ever be without my Vit C serum now. I think it has done good things for my skin...but it has to be 20%, of good quality, and a very low PH, or it is really not going to do anything for you.

leeni1391875387.29311 PostsRegistered 12/6/2010NYC/SC

Isomers and Ole's Truth Serum.

magemay1391881912.4131168 PostsRegistered 12/6/2011

I found this to be a very daunting and overwhelming decision to make. Really? Why do some things need to be darn hard? lol But there are too many factors and how do we know (because of exposures) that any form of C still retains it's potency and benefits??

First of all, it appears to me that the question mark still encompasses Vitamin C's stability in all of it's forms. I'm not really convinced that from time of formulation to finished product, manner in which formulation is handled and contained, then time spent on shelf prior to purchase, then optimal storage conditions at home, then finally to application and then once on the skin that the benefits remain intact. Wheeww.........

How does such a fragile and unstable ingredient (in any form) retain it's potential efficacy?

gazelle771391882186.6375949 PostsRegistered 3/1/2013

I have been on auto ship for Elizabeth Grant's (SHOPHQ) C serum duo for over a year. I am happy with it.

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And stronger than you seem
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Ellen May1391882799.76755 PostsRegistered 1/15/2014

I like Ole's Truth serum.

Funloving1391886311.357156 PostsRegistered 3/4/2007

I wrote and lost a long post explaining why I liked JM's C-Esta over other brands- POOF! ACK! This believe it or not, is the short form. Many plastics and derms were recommending this product some years back, which doesn't make it any better and certainly not cutting edge now. It was all about the results for those of us who loved it for what it did for our skin. And, it got A LOT of love. You'll see probably older reviews on MUA and some of the skin stores that rave this product too, switch and come back because of JM's superior results. I noticed the delivery system (now an air-tight pump) has changed and price has come down substantially.

At one time I read a scientific explanation of why topical ester C over l-ascorbic acid and other forms of C was superior, which actually made a lot of sense at the time. Too bad I can't remember a blasted thing about that now :)

But it truly was about results.

I do believe DMAE has merit. I was convinced after trying a natural pharmaceutical compound of pure DAE- you could pick from a variety of strengths, made to order. It was labeled and came in an amber bottle. The problem is we don't really know the long term potential (ill) effects. My skin has never been so lifted and firm.

Vit C Stability.. who really knows. Is one form more stable than another? Do other ingredients help keep C more stable? Should it be made fresh in very small quantities? Many keep their C in the fridge. I always keep it in the original box in a dark cabinet drawer. The violet bottle theory is interesting... thanks for that contribution.

The hunt for something which provides the same great results (FOR ME) as JM without the 'bad stuff' continues.

I love the guy's humble demeanor, but Ole's Truth Serum has a very synthetic orange smell and doesn't feel like real Vit. C (to ME.. JMO) I only tested a small sample.

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HappyDaze1391887956.67712544 PostsRegistered 6/13/2012
On 2/8/2014 magemay said:

I found this to be a very daunting and overwhelming decision to make. Really? Why do some things need to be darn hard? lol But there are too many factors and how do we know (because of exposures) that any form of C still retains it's potency and benefits??

First of all, it appears to me that the question mark still encompasses Vitamin C's stability in all of it's forms. I'm not really convinced that from time of formulation to finished product, manner in which formulation is handled and contained, then time spent on shelf prior to purchase, then optimal storage conditions at home, then finally to application and then once on the skin that the benefits remain intact. Wheeww.........

How does such a fragile and unstable ingredient (in any form) retain it's potential efficacy?

There are many, many scientific studies published in peer reviewed journals that deal with the very things you question. There are a few common threads among the results found throughout most of the studies and include pH level, most effective form(s) of vitamin c and delivery methods. They are interesting reads and show that yes, a fragile relatively unstable ingredient CAN and DOES remain effective given the proper conditions as noted above. Unfortunately, since most are published in peer review journals, you have to pay for a subscription unless you are an educator or student but libraries, rare as they are these days, have them for free.

The factors you mention have been tested and most studies show consistent results so it isn't just speculation and opinions out there about vitamin C. That is why I keep recommending to people to use these basic guidelines when trying to find a good quality vitamin C product as the majority of scientific studies agree on these very basic premises:

-the lower the pH the better- low pH, ideally under 5 is ideal for maximum efficacy

-delivery and storage mechanism should be a pump and dark bottle not a clear one since frequent exposure to light and air (and temp!) can rapidly degrade vitamin C potency

-for most effective vitamin C, L-ascorbic is the gold standard if your skin can tolerate it but others, such as MAP and SAP, are also highly regarded and less chance of irritation.

These aren't my opinions but scientific facts and for me, that is what I try to follow since, well, that is all I really got to go on! Others will argue about it but I stick with what I know from a scientific standpoint and my personal experience.

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