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Is Keratin Good or Not Good For Hair?

Started 1355588296.077 in Beauty Banter | Last reply 1357454185.783 by bebe777

What's it supposed to do for hair? Is it good only as a temporary treatment? Anyone use on a consistent basis with consistent good results?

TIA!

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Merrylass1355588850.5333082 PostsRegistered 1/1/2007

Your hair is naturally comprised of keratin (which is a protein). Keratin and other protein treatments can strengthen your hair but they can be very drying which is why you may need to use a deep moisturizing treatment on a regular basis. If you are asking about the Brazilian keratin treatments to straighten your hair, then there can be breakage due to the high heat used to seal in the keratin but the keratin itself doesn't cause the problem. HTH

Edited to add: For years, I've used the Aphogee 2-step protein treatment followed by deep conditioning treatments monthly to maintain healthy long hair. Although I've had the Brazilian keratin treatments (last about 2 - 3 months on me), I stopped because the novelty of straight hair wore off AND because my ends were drier and I didn't want to risk further hair damage.

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wilma1355597629.4513144 PostsRegistered 7/10/2007

Has anyone tried any shampoos or other products with keratin in them? I have seen several at the discount and drugstore lately. Are they good, bad, or just mediocre for hair? Btw my hair is super thick and wavy, but I prefer to wear it straight.

bikerbabe1355597939.188725 PostsRegistered 4/10/2007

what i've read is that keratin can help if you are prone to breakage but too much keratin leads to more breakage! how much is too much? i haven't a clue.{#emotions_dlg.laugh} i've never been interested because my hair is already straight and i don't have breakage issues.

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mizmolly1355598690.723888 PostsRegistered 8/25/2012

Just about any drugstore product with a decent amount of keratin will do. Or any keratin based salon or higher-end product, if you prefer.

I have (well had) long thick wavy sometimes-frizzy hair but several months ago had a straightening thing done at the salon -- brazilian something?

No matter what brand I've used (drugstore stuff), the keratin products do help the untreated new growth blend into the treated part ... in other words, they help keep the untreated new growth much softer /smoother than it normally would be. And because of that, I've needed NO blowdryer or curling iron or hot rollers ever since I got the treatment.

Right now I'm using a drugstore argan oil 'non-foaming' shampoo & the matching oil for towel-damp hair -- merely because I wanted to try argan, lol. However, I still use a keratin leave-in conditioner between the argan shampoo & oil.

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Irshgrl312­011355599014.4614455 PostsRegistered 3/14/2006

I am a former colorist, keratin can be good but you can also have too much of it. Keratin fills the porous parts of the hair which makes it look frizzy and dull because of all the microscopic holes. Think of it like this, a straw that is filled with too much water, it becomes stick like and hard to handle and like hay.

If you believe you need a protein or keratin treatment, start with one and see how you like it. YOu will usually know when you need another one.

They are great for people who have very weak and damaged hair from coloring, bleaching or whatever. It fills in those microscopic holes and strengthens it but too much can be haylike.

My favorite protein treatment is KPAK by JOICO. It is really mild but great. I used this all the time as a colorist and I have tried a lot and this worked best for my clients and I.

Irshgrl312­011355599099.01714455 PostsRegistered 3/14/2006
On 12/15/2012 bikerbabe said:

what i've read is that keratin can help if you are prone to breakage but too much keratin leads to more breakage! how much is too much? i haven't a clue.{#emotions_dlg.laugh} i've never been interested because my hair is already straight and i don't have breakage issues.

The user will know when they have too much because it will start to feel a little crispy almost and hair gets almost hay like in feel.

Irshgrl312­011355599161.4614455 PostsRegistered 3/14/2006
On 12/15/2012 Merrylass said:

Your hair is naturally comprised of keratin (which is a protein). Keratin and other protein treatments can strengthen your hair but they can be very drying which is why you may need to use a deep moisturizing treatment on a regular basis. If you are asking about the Brazilian keratin treatments to straighten your hair, then there can be breakage due to the high heat used to seal in the keratin but the keratin itself doesn't cause the problem. HTH

Edited to add: For years, I've used the Aphogee 2-step protein treatment followed by deep conditioning treatments monthly to maintain healthy long hair. Although I've had the Brazilian keratin treatments (last about 2 - 3 months on me), I stopped because the novelty of straight hair wore off AND because my ends were drier and I didn't want to risk further hair damage.

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Aphogee is a great one. I would use that before coloring people with really porous hair otherwise their color would fade so fast from being super porous.

lobstergal1355599627.4573786 PostsRegistered 12/3/2010
On 12/15/2012 wilma said:

Has anyone tried any shampoos or other products with keratin in them? I have seen several at the discount and drugstore lately. Are they good, bad, or just mediocre for hair? Btw my hair is super thick and wavy, but I prefer to wear it straight.

I use Suave Keratin Infusion shampoo and conditioner and love how soft my hair feels compared to others I've tried. I also think my color looks better than ever and doesn't wash out as quickly when I use these particular products.

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Tricolor1355600191.885275 PostsRegistered 4/19/2010Pittsburgh Suburbs

Since getting Keratin treatments, I don't have to use my flatiron nearly as much. So I think that has been a saving grace for my hair.

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rina331355601063.064919 PostsRegistered 6/17/2008
On 12/15/2012 bikerbabe said:

what i've read is that keratin can help if you are prone to breakage but too much keratin leads to more breakage! how much is too much? i haven't a clue.{#emotions_dlg.laugh} i've never been interested because my hair is already straight and i don't have breakage issues.


I know someone who had beautiful hair down to her waist. She kept getting keratin treatments, and MOST of her hair broke off. She was a pathetic sight. I was saddened to see how she'd ruined her hair.

I rarely use keratin, but if I do, I always follow with HUMECTRESS.

Irshgrl312­011355601869.214455 PostsRegistered 3/14/2006
On 12/15/2012 rina33 said:
On 12/15/2012 bikerbabe said:

what i've read is that keratin can help if you are prone to breakage but too much keratin leads to more breakage! how much is too much? i haven't a clue.<img src="/DesktopModules/ExactTarget/Controls/TextEditor/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/laugh.gif" alt="{#emotions_dlg.laugh}" /> i've never been interested because my hair is already straight and i don't have breakage issues.


I know someone who had beautiful hair down to her waist. She kept getting keratin treatments, and MOST of her hair broke off. She was a pathetic sight. I was saddened to see how she'd ruined her hair.

I rarely use keratin, but if I do, I always follow with HUMECTRESS.

That is a much different treatment/product than just using a shampoo/conditioner that contains protein/keratin.

Harpa1355667800.8737676 PostsRegistered 6/28/2007

Thanks everyone!

4doggies1355668846.7833501 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004

I had the keratin conditioning treatment at the salon in early Sept.--the one that's only supposed to last about 6 weeks but you can extend it if you only wash it a few times a week and stay away from sodium chloride products. It was the best thing I've ever done for my hair! It lasted 12 weeks, washed out very gradually, my hair is in much better condition than it was before.

I got a haircut last week, I asked stylist if the treatment was still in my hair because it was so manageable/non frizzy. She said it was probably gone, but my hair was still great! I think d/s keratin products are ok for your hair, but it won't have anything close to the same effect as the salon treatment. I'm surprised to read about all the dryness/breakage problems, because my hair is in better condition than it's been in years. I'll wait until warm weather to do it again, but it's definitely something I plan to do a couple of times a year.

winamac11355669447.25730963 PostsRegistered 12/29/2010Indiana
On 12/15/2012 Irshgrl31201 said:

I am a former colorist, keratin can be good but you can also have too much of it. Keratin fills the porous parts of the hair which makes it look frizzy and dull because of all the microscopic holes. Think of it like this, a straw that is filled with too much water, it becomes stick like and hard to handle and like hay.

If you believe you need a protein or keratin treatment, start with one and see how you like it. YOu will usually know when you need another one.

They are great for people who have very weak and damaged hair from coloring, bleaching or whatever. It fills in those microscopic holes and strengthens it but too much can be haylike.

My favorite protein treatment is KPAK by JOICO. It is really mild but great. I used this all the time as a colorist and I have tried a lot and this worked best for my clients and I.

Thanks Irish--for your professional recommendation! I, too, like KPAK and use it monthly. My hair got damaged from overprocessing, and it, along with the Living Proof Restore Mask has greatly improved my hair condition.

I highly recommend AGAINST the brazilian blowout. If you have finer hair, it's very damaging. I won't do it again though it did ameliorate the look of the frizzies a few summers ago! They say THAT is good for the hair, and it is not--for finer hair types especially. Those with thick, curly, unruly hair probably do fine with it. It thinned and damaged my hair.

After a year of not doing Brazilian Blowout and using Kpack that IRish recommends and Renew mask, my hair is repairing itself well--at least it looks that way!

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Merrylass1355674950.483082 PostsRegistered 1/1/2007
On 12/15/2012 Irshgrl31201 said:
On 12/15/2012 Merrylass said:

Your hair is naturally comprised of keratin (which is a protein). Keratin and other protein treatments can strengthen your hair but they can be very drying which is why you may need to use a deep moisturizing treatment on a regular basis. If you are asking about the Brazilian keratin treatments to straighten your hair, then there can be breakage due to the high heat used to seal in the keratin but the keratin itself doesn't cause the problem. HTH

Edited to add: For years, I've used the Aphogee 2-step protein treatment followed by deep conditioning treatments monthly to maintain healthy long hair. Although I've had the Brazilian keratin treatments (last about 2 - 3 months on me), I stopped because the novelty of straight hair wore off AND because my ends were drier and I didn't want to risk further hair damage.

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Aphogee is a great one. I would use that before coloring people with really porous hair otherwise their color would fade so fast from being super porous.

Ah great tip -- thanks, I'll start doing the Aphogee treatment before coloring my hair.

wilma1356213338.82713144 PostsRegistered 7/10/2007
On 12/15/2012 lobstergal said:
On 12/15/2012 wilma said:

Has anyone tried any shampoos or other products with keratin in them? I have seen several at the discount and drugstore lately. Are they good, bad, or just mediocre for hair? Btw my hair is super thick and wavy, but I prefer to wear it straight.

I use Suave Keratin Infusion shampoo and conditioner and love how soft my hair feels compared to others I've tried. I also think my color looks better than ever and doesn't wash out as quickly when I use these particular products.

Thanks for the info. I was thinking about trying the Suave. Can you tell me what your hair type is? Mine is thick and wavy and a few inches past my shoulders. I also have blond highlights.

Spunkyspou­ts1356239574.7837198 PostsRegistered 11/19/2008miami

I use a REDKIN shampoo with Keratin called Extreme, it delivers amazing results.

shoekitty1356241353.83712887 PostsRegistered 8/10/2006
On 12/15/2012 Irshgrl31201 said:

I am a former colorist, keratin can be good but you can also have too much of it. Keratin fills the porous parts of the hair which makes it look frizzy and dull because of all the microscopic holes. Think of it like this, a straw that is filled with too much water, it becomes stick like and hard to handle and like hay.

If you believe you need a protein or keratin treatment, start with one and see how you like it. YOu will usually know when you need another one.

They are great for people who have very weak and damaged hair from coloring, bleaching or whatever. It fills in those microscopic holes and strengthens it but too much can be haylike.

My favorite protein treatment is KPAK by JOICO. It is really mild but great. I used this all the time as a colorist and I have tried a lot and this worked best for my clients and I.

You can spend a fortune on all kinds of conditioning treatments, but none IMO work like KPAK; It has been around for years, I think it came out in 1976. It works, really works. I can buy anything, and this is what works for my compromised hair.

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shoekitty1356241519.75712887 PostsRegistered 8/10/2006

I also love Alterna sea mask. I think that is it. I use it every other week. It is in a Cobalt blue jar. I think it is 48 bucks retail. I pay about 22.

life is a banquet and most poor fools are starving to death!"
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Harpa1356266516.5777676 PostsRegistered 6/28/2007

I tried two keratin products (S&Cs) -- one Suave, one expensive -- and did not have consistent, good results. Then I tried another keratin (KeratinPerfect) -- just the smoothing cream, and it seemed to be really nice. So, that's why I was asking.

Where do you get KPAKs? (Though, right now my hair seems to be in pretty good condition.)

shoekitty1356318436.0112887 PostsRegistered 8/10/2006
On 12/23/2012 Harpa said:

I tried two keratin products (S&Cs) -- one Suave, one expensive -- and did not have consistent, good results. Then I tried another keratin (KeratinPerfect) -- just the smoothing cream, and it seemed to be really nice. So, that's why I was asking.

Where do you get KPAKs? (Though, right now my hair seems to be in pretty good condition.)

<br /> KPAK by <em>Joico,</em> is a reconstructive treatment with protien. I get it at a professional supply store. The general public can buy it at Sally's or any of those Beauty Supply Stores.. It is a thick white cream that comes in a tube. It runs about 20 bucks? Shampoo, towel dry good. Depending on length and thickness of hair apply about 2 teaspoons to hair.. Massage in, run comb through (large comb or pick) you can cover or not. I leave on 5 to 10 mins, but it says 2-5 mins on instructions. HTH

I don't know if many salons sell it, although I know they use it as their "secret sauce".

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winamac11356352839.230963 PostsRegistered 12/29/2010Indiana
On 12/15/2012 Irshgrl31201 said:
On 12/15/2012 rina33 said:
On 12/15/2012 bikerbabe said:

what i've read is that keratin can help if you are prone to breakage but too much keratin leads to more breakage! how much is too much? i haven't a clue.{#emotions_dlg.laugh} i've never been interested because my hair is already straight and i don't have breakage issues.

<br /> I know someone who had beautiful hair down to her waist. She kept getting keratin treatments, and MOST of her hair broke off. She was a pathetic sight. I was saddened to see how she'd ruined her hair.

I rarely use keratin, but if I do, I always follow with HUMECTRESS.

That is a much different treatment/product than just using a shampoo/conditioner that contains protein/keratin.

ITA Irish--those Keratin treatmenst at the salon are nothing like the home keratin products that I use on occasion. Those products help not hurt the hair the way the salon treatments hurt (used with heat/flat iron, etc.).

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Harpa1356355766.7377676 PostsRegistered 6/28/2007
On 12/23/2012 shoekitty said:
On 12/23/2012 Harpa said:

Where do you get KPAKs? (Though, right now my hair seems to be in pretty good condition.)

<br /> KPAK by <em>Joico,</em> is a reconstructive treatment with protien. I get it at a professional supply store. The general public can buy it at Sally's or any of those Beauty Supply Stores.. It is a thick white cream that comes in a tube. It runs about 20 bucks? Shampoo, towel dry good. Depending on length and thickness of hair apply about 2 teaspoons to hair.. Massage in, run comb through (large comb or pick) you can cover or not. I leave on 5 to 10 mins, but it says 2-5 mins on instructions. HTH

I don't know if many salons sell it, although I know they use it as their "secret sauce".

Thank you, shoekitty! I was trying to look it up yesterday (Joico website under construction) and came across shampoos & conditioners, so I was also wondering which product you all were talking about.

bebe7771356503868.8973981 PostsRegistered 12/10/2012

Harpa, you mentioned that the Joico website is under construction. I did some further searching and found a joicoeurope dot com website which is working (it's probably their international website because the set-up is similar to the joico website). You can get a bit of information on all the joico products there. I was curious about K-Pak and they seem to have two formulas. The original one is called K-Pak Deep-Penetrating Restorer ($17). The latest version which I think came out this past year is called K-Pak Revitaluxe Bio-Advanced Restorative Treatement ($18). I did some checking on the web and while people seemed to really like both products, people who had gone from the original formula to the Revitaluxe seemed to prefer the newer formula. So I bought the Revitaluxe. The box says that "Revitaluxe features a technology breakthrough in hair repair: bio-advanced Keratin Peptide Complex, a patent-pending blend of Bio-mimetic Peptides, Keratin Amino Acids, Jojoba Oil and Aloe Extract." -- I tried the treatment two days ago. I have very weak, thin, fine hair. I did notice some improvement in my hair strength, as well as some reduction in frizziness, and some improvement in hair sheen/shine. I'm going to experiment with it over the next few months and see how it goes. -- If you do use K-Pak make sure you give your hair a moisturizing treatment afterwards. Evidentially, keratin treatments are drying and moisturizing treatments can help curb hair breakage. Best of luck!!

Harpa1356527077.3237676 PostsRegistered 6/28/2007

bebe, thank you for your additional information. I wouldn't say my hair is damaged in any way, but an occasional boost, I'm sure, wouldn't hurt it, since I color roots, and the newer Revitaluxe product that you described sounds good.

You mentioned using a moisturizing treatment afterward. What specifically can you recommend?

My hair is normal, and pretty much under control w/ Aveda. I also have been doing coconut oil every other night (which seems to preserve root color out of anything else I've ever tried.)

TY!!

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