BurbankKate1346007791.586007 PostsRegistered 11/18/2007Home of: Disney Studios,W. Bros, Nickelodeon, Cartoon network, media capital of the world Has she tried the Stem Cell injections for her knee first? The process is 3 injections, at $500 each...insurance does not pay for....the blood is drawn directly from the patient....centerfuged, then replaced into the knee. It works better then the Hyaluronic acid injections...is this something feasible for her? Knee surgery is gruesome and one of the hardest to recover from. HTH. - A government big enough to give you everything you want, is then strong enough to take everything you have.
- Thomas Jefferson GoodStuff1346011321.98711502 PostsRegistered 11/11/2008 Quite often patients who are elderly and/or have other significant health problems go to an inpatient rehab center for a while after knee replacement surgery. There they can receive in-house physical therapy and there is staff to help with walking, transfers, bathing, toileting, etc. until their mobility gets better. If your mother is mentally alert and competent, it may be helpful for her to attend an educational class or session to learn more about knee surgery and what to expect in recovery. I just had my right knee replaced about five weeks ago, and I'm glad I was well prepared. At 64 I came home with assistive equipment and home PT -- but more help is available if needed. She will be using a walker, perhaps a cane, a raised toilet seat, a shower chair, and other equipment during her rehab -- probably for quite some time. So she needs to be realistic and well informed. If her husband is in good shape, hopefully he can help her through the process. abbycat1346011620.5174618 PostsRegistered 5/19/2007Maryland Hi Arie .... I'm 67 and just had a total knee replacement a year ago. Now I realize there's 20 years difference in our ages, so I can only tell you my experience. I had my TKR done on a Tuesday and did not leave the hospital til Friday, and then I went straight to a rehab. facility, for further care (changing the dressing and physical therapy). I was supposed to have been there for 2 weeks, but for reasons I won't go into my doctor "sprung" me out of there in 4 days. I came home, alone. I used a walker in the rehab. and when I first got home but in a few days I stopped using that. By then a dear girlfriend from out of state came for a week to cook, clean, change the sheets, do whatever was necessary - things I couldn't do. There was a visiting nurse that came 2x a week and a P.T. that came 3x a week for 4 weeks. After that I could drive and started P.T. 3x a week for 6 weeks. I don't know how you want to handle this, but your mother is definitely going to need a lot of help, especially at 86. I would imagine, if your stepdad is in good shape, he can do most of this. I can tell you that the worst part of this surgery is the P.T. One thing that would really help her is a lounge chair - like a lazy-boy - where she can put her feet up; and at 86, I think one of those chairs that lift you up to help you get out of the chair would be even better. If your stepdad can do the cooking, help her with a shower, get dressed, and her medications, she should be OK. Otherwise, you might want to consider getting someone in during the day - maybe just for a few hours each day - to help her with these things. You probably know this, but several things she will need .... a walker, a raised toilet seat, and a seat for the shower. If your mother's doctor is going to do this at her age, she must be in good shape otherwise, or I doubt he would even attempt it. I hope things go well for her .... take care .... abby <*)))>< Kzeks1346012430.1474506 PostsRegistered 5/25/2006Michigan/Europe A friend of ours whose mother was in her 80's had this surgery done.... I was the only person in the group who said that she should not have it...citing medical info I had learnt.... Everyone else was upbeat and positive for the outcome... Good for them and bad for her....Sorry to report I was right! But she did leave a few million $$$$$$$$$$$ for her 2 children. So it did turned out ok in the end for some people... mimi911346013148.24390 PostsRegistered 4/14/2008Massachusetts Burbankkate, do you have info about stem-cell injections? Hubby has apt with dr for painful knees. Maybe stem-cells woul be possible? tIa Gooday1346013610.1437270 PostsRegistered 1/20/2008 I worked for an orthopedic surgeon for 17 years. He specialized in total joint replacements. In your mom's case, it would depend on her general medical condition as well as her activities of daily living - in other words how active she is. Many people think that Synvisc injections are the way to go but if you have bone on bone, it will not do a lick of good. Also, usually total knee replacements require a 3 day hospitalization. I would not advise you one way or the other but, I would think long and hard. expatgal1346014238.494004 PostsRegistered 4/22/2005 My MIL had TKR done at age 82. Once the handsome young doctor told her she needed "a new knee", that was all we heard. There was no stopping her. She had every pre-existing condition there is. High blood pressure, diabetes, dangerously high triglycerides and cholesterol,etc. She came through surgery fine (remember, any general anesthesia at that age is a real risk) and had a spinal catheter with morphine the first 24 hours. That was a real experience, let me tell you! Then there was the motion machine, constant battles with nurses, etc. Anyway ... she was transferred to a rehab facility and spend 4 nights there with constant physical therapy until she insisted on coming home. She came home way too quickly - the icing, elevation, walker ... it was just a nightmare at her age. Finally, she got to where she could get around but I will always think it was a huge mistake at her age. Just my experience. Last edited on 8/26/2012 RedTop1346014293.262432 PostsRegistered 9/1/2010 I am nearly 8 months post-op from knee replacement, and doing very well. I am 56 and work in the hospital where the procedure was done; did a lot of research on the procedure and recovery, and ultimately had a positively awesome experience. However, I wouldn't recommend for an 86 year old to have this surgery; particularly one with the health history you have described, and it's hard for me to believe an orthopedic surgeon would put someone this age through this procedure. I truly understand the chronic pain issue, and as soon as the worn joint is removed, the chronic pain will be gone, BUT this surgery requires true dedication and hard work from her, for a complete recovery with full flex and range of motion. I too would have a lot of reservation about this, and I seriously doubt your mom is aware of what she's in for---she's just going along with what her doctor has suggested. Before I would let my mom go thru a procedure like this at an advanced age, I would suggest she be treated with pain medication first to see if that relieves any discomfort from the worn joint. I think she may need a couple weeks in a rehab facility post hospital but will probably do fine. I once took care of a lady who was 98 years old and had a quadruple heart bypass on Christmas eve. On Christmas morning she was up and walking around in her room. She had been extubated right after she awoke and they took out her chest tubes early that morning. The nurses put her in a chair and she had gotten up and was putzing around her room getting stuff from her suitcase when I got there at 7AM. No one had told her she wouldn't be able to do stuff so she just did. When I brought in a wheelchair to take her to her new room she refused to sit in it and walked across the hall to the new room. Last edited on 8/26/2012 BurbankKate1346016921.7976007 PostsRegistered 11/18/2007Home of: Disney Studios,W. Bros, Nickelodeon, Cartoon network, media capital of the world On 8/26/2012 mimi91 said: Burbankkate, do you have info about stem-cell injections? Hubby has apt with dr for painful knees. Maybe stem-cells woul be possible? tIa You have to locate an ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON in your area that does this.Other places go by names such as Orthopedic Arthritis Institues, Arthritis Pain Relief centers, Some are just Chiroporactors that work in concert with OS doctors....Check online, ask your HMO or health plan..(Most times, HMO's are NOT helpful)...but it's just a matter of googling it in your area. I did the hyaluronic acid for my right knee (at $300 each shot...a total of 5 shots) and it worked like a charm...I'm going to start the stem cell in my left knee because the process is quicker and more effective; and I just found out about the stem cell knee therapy from my Orthopedic surgeon...HTH. - A government big enough to give you everything you want, is then strong enough to take everything you have.
- Thomas Jefferson grandma r1346018671.733727 PostsRegistered 10/26/2010 I wish your mom all the best. I had both knees replaced a few years ago & it was tough. I would absolutely speak w/the surgeon prior to the procedure & have him answer any & all questions regarding the procedure & rehab as they apply to your mom & her health concerns. The surgery itself isn't too long, @45-50 min per knee, however, the rehab is not easy. Personally, I would be wary of any surgery for someone of her age. btw, if she does have the procedure done, she will definately need plenty of support to get her through the rehab. Ice will become her new best friend; you just can't ice too much. Good luck with your decision. Arie571346021012.173649 PostsRegistered 8/12/2007 Thanks to all of you. But my mother says that so and so that knows her sister knows lots of people in their 80s that have had the surgery. My retort is "have those people had all the health issues you have had?". No answer. My mother is on many meds. She is not overweight, but has been much more inactive in the last year because putting weight on her knee. Before that she did the stationery bike. Also, she did have several injections that did not help. I am too sick to get involved and she wouldn't listen to me anyway. She's of the generation that believe doctors know everything. I think surgeons are cut happy here in middle America. I will admit she looks a lot younger than she is....so I think that doctors that don't know her well think she's just fine. She had a great female geriatric doc for 20 years, but she retired a year ago. She knew mom backwards and forward. So she doesn't really have one that knows her well. Thank you all. I just have to hope it turns out o.k., because I don't really have a say so in it. I'm just the middle child;) P.S. writing this on iPad doesn't look as good. I made paragraphs, but they are gone.Last edited on 8/26/2012 Last edited on 8/26/2012 GoodStuff1346092538.8211502 PostsRegistered 11/11/2008 I hope your Mom does well with her surgery. It's not that uncommon for senior citizens to have joint replacement surgery nowadays. My mom had a hip replacement (after a hip fracture) at 86. I agree that you can't take responsibility for your mom's decision. She sounds like a strong-minded woman who has a younger husband to help her get through her recovery. If I were you, I'd leave her to work things through with her doctor. There are many kinds of assistance available during her recovery, and it won't take her long to figure out that she will have no choice but to take advantage of some of them! Gooday1346099796.9637270 PostsRegistered 1/20/2008 GoodStuff - may I ask how your mom did after the THR? Thinning bones are common in the elderly and their femurs break easily thus the need for either a hip pinning or a THR. Your mother is an adult, ultimately this is her decision, not anyone elses. An increasing number of elders are having these types of surgery. The procedures are safer than ever before and people are living longer than ever before. Seniors are also more active today and they don't want to live with chronic pain anymore than we do. Her orthopd is doing the surgery, he knows her age and I'm 100% certain he has consulted with all of her other doctors. He knows what meds she is taking, he knows about her other health issues and he has taken all of that into consideration and deems her to be a good candidate for joint replacement surgery. If you want, and if your mother is okay with it, you can call her surgeon and hear from his own mouth that he has done the things I mentioned above. I have a co-worker who has an 80 year old mom who had knee replacement surgery in Dec. Her recovery was little longer than expected but she's doing so well now that she started playing a bit of golf again this summer. She's also planning to go on a cruise in the Spring. She's relishing life without pain. My co-worker says a pleasant by prodcut is that her mother is much easier to get along with now. She isn't as negative and critical as she once was. Probably because she isn't in constant pain anymore and because she can once again do the things she wants to do. GoodStuff1346101044.08711502 PostsRegistered 11/11/2008 On 8/27/2012 Gooday said: GoodStuff - may I ask how your mom did after the THR? Thinning bones are common in the elderly and their femurs break easily thus the need for either a hip pinning or a THR. Mom had a total hip replacement and did OK until a subsequent fall loosened the hip prosthesis a bit. She has been able to bear weight on the hip, but the joint is somewhat painful at times. Her situation was complicated by the fact that she was already diagnosed with Alzheimer's and some Parkinsonian symptoms, so her recovery was tempered by those problems, and her ability to walk has declined over time due to her other health issues. The hip surgery itself went OK. I know an elderly man who was in his mid-80s when he had knee replacement surgery. He was in the hospital two weeks following the surgery and in re-hab for weeks. He actually had to move into the rehab hospital building to take therapy. He recovered, but it took weeks. Also, he had so serious health problems before the surgery. I'm in my early 70's and have had a total knee replacement a year and a half ago and a partial knee replacement last June. The latter was a piece of cake, not so with the TKR. I would strongly suggest a rehab facility if she decides to have the surgery. I hope she knows this is considered major surgery and even though she is in pain, she will experience a lot afterward even with meds which can really do a number on you. Having the surgery is the easy part, it's what comes afterward that is difficult. I wish you and her well. Gooday1346101773.057270 PostsRegistered 1/20/2008 On 8/27/2012 GoodStuff said: On 8/27/2012 Gooday said: GoodStuff - may I ask how your mom did after the THR? Thinning bones are common in the elderly and their femurs break easily thus the need for either a hip pinning or a THR. Mom had a total hip replacement and did OK until a subsequent fall loosened the hip prosthesis a bit. She has been able to bear weight on the hip, but the joint is somewhat painful at times. Her situation was complicated by the fact that she was already diagnosed with Alzheimer's and some Parkinsonian symptoms, so her recovery was tempered by those problems, and her ability to walk has declined over time due to her other health issues. The hip surgery itself went OK. The reason I asked was because my mom had end stage Alzheimer's but she had been ambulatory. In August of 2005 she was limping so, an x-ray was taken and she was found to have a hip fracture. She underwent the hip pinning but passed away in December. So sad to see that happen with many elderly people. GoodStuff1346178554.64711502 PostsRegistered 11/11/2008 On 8/27/2012 Gooday said: On 8/27/2012 GoodStuff said: On 8/27/2012 Gooday said: GoodStuff - may I ask how your mom did after the THR? Thinning bones are common in the elderly and their femurs break easily thus the need for either a hip pinning or a THR. Mom had a total hip replacement and did OK until a subsequent fall loosened the hip prosthesis a bit. She has been able to bear weight on the hip, but the joint is somewhat painful at times. Her situation was complicated by the fact that she was already diagnosed with Alzheimer's and some Parkinsonian symptoms, so her recovery was tempered by those problems, and her ability to walk has declined over time due to her other health issues. The hip surgery itself went OK. The reason I asked was because my mom had end stage Alzheimer's but she had been ambulatory. In August of 2005 she was limping so, an x-ray was taken and she was found to have a hip fracture. She underwent the hip pinning but passed away in December. So sad to see that happen with many elderly people. I'm sorry for your loss. It's hard when multiple systems deteriorate all at once, and you don't always know what to fix and what to leave. We just do the best we can. Ihave never answered anyone questioning TKR surgery but feel I want to on this one. You have been given many excellent responses to your question. All I can add is that I had both knees replaced at the same time in my mid 70's. Did fine (altho I had to have a bloodtransfusion the 2nd or 3rd day which isn't uncommon with double replacement). Stayed in the hospital rehab for 2 weeks and then aPT in the home 3x a week for a month. Then 6 weeks of outpatient PT. My daughter stayed at nite with me for 3 or 4 days after my coming home from hospital rehab and then I managed on my own with walker and friends coming by periodicaly to check on me. Was driving the 2nd week of my outpatieer.nt PT. It's a decision your Mom and the Dr needs to make. I met my Dr. for 30 min (just for a consult as I informed him!) and he said I needed theTKR as I was "too young and vibrant to spend the rest of my life in a wheelchair". I left, mulled it over and called the next day to schedule surgery in 6 weeks. Have never regretted it. Just a cute story--friends had been advising me tohave the surgery for years and I said, never! One of the women at church had it at 75 and one day called the Dr and asked how long these knees were suppose to last and he told her at least 25 yrs--she told him that was good as she just turned 100. fireflygirl1346269452.95890 PostsRegistered 7/11/2007Midwest My mother had her first knee replaced about 10 years ago due to bad arthritis causing so much pain. In the last two years (she is 83 now) she has had a hip replacement, her other knee replaced, and then fell and broke her other hip. Each time she was in the hospital for a week, then in a rehab facilty for 4-6 weeks afterwards. For a little while, she could walk with just a cane. She still has pain and now walks with a walker. Now her doctor says the knee that was replaced ten years ago should be redone, and she says she will not do it! "Never trade what you want right now for what you really want."
JRR Tolkein Gooday1346272406.7377270 PostsRegistered 1/20/2008 Total knee revisions are a tough procedure. I would not do it. I need to have this TKR done I'm not the age of this ladies mom but after reading all the people who said dont do it I'm scared to have it done. I totally can not understand why someone who is in almost constant pain and who has limited ability to walk - when offered a surgical solution to that problem doesn't jump at the opportunity to be whole again.
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