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Many young people cannot read or write cursive

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I hope my experiences are isolated! As a small business owner, we have started noticing that younger workers ( under 25ish) cannot read or write cursive. I asked some teachers in town and they confirmed that cursive writing is not taught in our school system. A teacher told me that when she writes for her 7th grade students it must always be in block printing. Our High School is considering offering Cursive Writing as an elective.

On another note: Many young ones cannot tell time on an analog clock and we know about counting money back as change.

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BaileyandB­ella1342215630.195641 PostsRegistered 2/6/2010

My oldest son (20) was taught cursive and uses it, but my youngest (14) was not taught.

Maggie Nol­ia1342215686.74314669 PostsRegistered 1/30/2006

And they are our future! It's very sad. One has to wonder what is being taught in schools these days. Plus a calculator is mandatory these days (prohibited when I was in school) because the little darlings can't be expected to add, subtract, multiply, divide without one.

Buzzards fly in packs. Eagles soar alone.

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biancardi1342215704.86346967 PostsRegistered 11/7/2005

well, they are probably picking up other skills that are needed in the 21st century. My cursive - no one can read it, not even me sometimes!! lol

block printing is better for me. I have very sloppy handwriting.

The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair. Douglas Adams

millieshops1342215719.92714721 PostsRegistered 3/15/2007

True - but many can make their electronic devices jump through all kinds of hoops that I wish I understood. They could use both skills for sure, but as to which should take precedence? Noawadays I'd vote for computers, etc.

Marp1342215781.1613480 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004Western NC

What is even sadder is that even with printed text reading comprehension is woefully lacking.

A dog chasing his tail eventually bites himself.

biancardi1342215814.42346967 PostsRegistered 11/7/2005
On 7/13/2012 millieshops said:

True - but many can make their electronic devices jump through all kinds of hoops that I wish I understood. They could use both skills for sure, but as to which should take precedence? Noawadays I'd vote for computers, etc.

exactly the point I was trying to make. Just think, past generations probably moaned about how folks didn't know how to make their own butter or spin their own cloth - lol

Now, with all of the handheld devices, do I REALLY need a slide rule?

The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair. Douglas Adams

biancardi1342215945.11346967 PostsRegistered 11/7/2005
On 7/13/2012 Marp said:

What is even sadder is that even with printed text reading comprehension is woefully lacking.

yeah, that is something that really is difficult to "teach" in K-12 settings. I found that learning to understand and comprehend ideas and information seems to happen in the college setting.

k-12 - it is all about just "learning how to do stuff". Not how to understand what you have just learned. Unless you take a physics or geometry course and have to prove it.

The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair. Douglas Adams

Mmsfoxxie1342215997.0575403 PostsRegistered 6/19/2010

I wouldn't say it wasn't taught. It's not stressed because kids fight learning it. It takes time away from math, science, etc, the things that teachers are held accountable for. Ther's only so much you can put in a day.

straykatz1342216007.0038626 PostsRegistered 6/13/2007

Cursive writing is torture for those who are sloppy writers and it's even more torturous for those trying to read sloppy hand writing. Beautiful penmanship used to be something that many people took great pride in but sadly it is a dying art.

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AnikaBrodie1342216026.05715110 PostsRegistered 1/29/2008The NE state of mountains and valleys

Cursive writing is no longer taught in many school districts. Sad. The spelling and English usage of many young people is atrocious and I think both are still taught. That, too, is sad.

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biancardi1342216096.7446967 PostsRegistered 11/7/2005
On 7/13/2012 straykatz said:

Cursive writing is torture for those who are sloppy writers and it's even more torturous for those trying to read sloppy hand writing. Beautiful penmanship used to be something that many people took great pride in but sadly it is a dying art.

but that was back in the day when people "wrote" letters. Today's world, there isn't a need for it. Email, texting, phone calls. Now, one can disagree with the medium that is used, but I can see why it is not something that most people do.

The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair. Douglas Adams

Marp1342216407.00313480 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004Western NC
On 7/13/2012 biancardi said:
On 7/13/2012 millieshops said:

True - but many can make their electronic devices jump through all kinds of hoops that I wish I understood. They could use both skills for sure, but as to which should take precedence? Noawadays I'd vote for computers, etc.

exactly the point I was trying to make. Just think, past generations probably moaned about how folks didn't know how to make their own butter or spin their own cloth - lol

Now, with all of the handheld devices, do I REALLY need a slide rule?

Need one, probably not. Need to know how to work one, yes you do. Just look what happened to the Air France plane. The pilots were so computer dependent they didn't know how to fly the plane when electronics went haywire and the plane started going down. The crash was almost certainly avoidable based on the latest data, if only they knew how to fly the plane.

Just imagine what life would be like today if satellite communications suddenly went down, there was no Internet and we had to rely on our own abilities and wits just to get by.

I've lived without all those for most of my life but I would be hard put today to manage but I could get by. Anyone totally dependent on electronics could be in real trouble. Without the Internet immediate answers wouldn't be available.

The up side, of course, is that us "old" timers would become invaluable.

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A dog chasing his tail eventually bites himself.

SydneyH1342216473.6141130 PostsRegistered 2/25/2006
On 7/13/2012 Maggie Nolia said:

And they are our future! It's very sad.

Scary ain't it?

A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.

-- Walter Bagehot

bluecat21342216842.8934234 PostsRegistered 1/7/2005

I was schooled by the Catholic nuns and even I don't used cursive anymore...I don't really see the big deal...

Maggie Nol­ia1342216956.99314669 PostsRegistered 1/30/2006

People don't need to sign their name anymore?

Buzzards fly in packs. Eagles soar alone.

Pray for the USA.


"Let's roll." ~ Todd Beamer, 9/11/01.

sunshine451342217181.02341151 PostsRegistered 1/13/2007east coast and west coast

my kids can sign their names and were taught cursive early on in elementary school, but as teenagers now they will not use it and they are not required to use it.......if they write anything they print and everything else is pretty much typed out onto a computer.

"When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" - Eleanor Roosevelt

granddi1342217269.32815 PostsRegistered 9/8/2009

I understand that times change and people probably dont need to know who to use a slide rule. Can a person be successful and not know be a proficient speller, or be able to compose a complete sentence or read cursive writing? I am sure she can.

Our schools do not require multiplication tables to be memorized. Our pharmacist said he had an Rx that said "take 3 pills for 7 days" and his CERTIFIED tech asked him "how many pills that would be? He asked her how she would figure this out and she reached for a calculator.

There was a story on 60 minutes (back in the fall) that reported about an exclusive private school in Silicon Valley Ca. This school caters to lots of tech/computer type families. Anyway they do not use computers at all in school. They have dictionaries, encyclopedias and books. Students write answers on tests and they do not take multiple choice tests.

I don't think the world is coming to and end just an observation about current education in our town and maybe yours.

bluecat21342217408.54234 PostsRegistered 1/7/2005

I was teaching 4th grade not so long ago and multiplication tables were indeed being memorized and drilled....

Everything's gonna be alright:)

Maggie Nol­ia1342217602.9814669 PostsRegistered 1/30/2006
On 7/13/2012 granddi said:

There was a story on 60 minutes (back in the fall) that reported about an exclusive private school in Silicon Valley Ca. This school caters to lots of tech/computer type families. Anyway they do not use computers at all in school. They have dictionaries, encyclopedias and books. Students write answers on tests and they do not take multiple choice tests.


Very impressive!

Buzzards fly in packs. Eagles soar alone.

Pray for the USA.


"Let's roll." ~ Todd Beamer, 9/11/01.

KKali1342217623.096341 PostsRegistered 11/15/2006NE PA
On 7/13/2012 biancardi said:
On 7/13/2012 Marp said:

What is even sadder is that even with printed text reading comprehension is woefully lacking.

yeah, that is something that really is difficult to "teach" in K-12 settings. I found that learning to understand and comprehend ideas and information seems to happen in the college setting.

k-12 - it is all about just "learning how to do stuff". Not how to understand what you have just learned. Unless you take a physics or geometry course and have to prove it.

All due respect, but...what???? Have you taught in the k-12 setting? A major focus for the last 5 years has been teaching concept and application as opposed to process.

Cursive writing is not an essential skill.

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Dagna1342217652.67714011 PostsRegistered 2/10/2006

The other day I signed up for one of those store cards (not a credit card) and the girl asked for my birth month so they could send me a discount or something. I told her and she asked me again. I repeated it and she said - No, I need the number of the month.

I told her, but I was thinking that there are only 12 months, how hard is it to figure out?



biancardi1342217794.846967 PostsRegistered 11/7/2005
On 7/13/2012 KKali said:
On 7/13/2012 biancardi said:
On 7/13/2012 Marp said:

What is even sadder is that even with printed text reading comprehension is woefully lacking.

yeah, that is something that really is difficult to "teach" in K-12 settings. I found that learning to understand and comprehend ideas and information seems to happen in the college setting.

k-12 - it is all about just "learning how to do stuff". Not how to understand what you have just learned. Unless you take a physics or geometry course and have to prove it.

All due respect, but...what???? Have you taught in the k-12 setting? A major focus for the last 5 years has been teaching concept and application as opposed to process.

Cursive writing is not an essential skill.

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I didn't say I taught in k-12. I was speaking from my own experiences and my nieces and nephews.

That may be the "major focus" NOW, but it wasn't for YEARS.

The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair. Douglas Adams

biancardi1342218136.5946967 PostsRegistered 11/7/2005
On 7/13/2012 Marp said:
On 7/13/2012 biancardi said:
On 7/13/2012 millieshops said:

True - but many can make their electronic devices jump through all kinds of hoops that I wish I understood. They could use both skills for sure, but as to which should take precedence? Noawadays I'd vote for computers, etc.

exactly the point I was trying to make. Just think, past generations probably moaned about how folks didn't know how to make their own butter or spin their own cloth - lol

Now, with all of the handheld devices, do I REALLY need a slide rule?

Need one, probably not. Need to know how to work one, yes you do. Just look what happened to the Air France plane. The pilots were so computer dependent they didn't know how to fly the plane when electronics went haywire and the plane started going down. The crash was almost certainly avoidable based on the latest data, if only they knew how to fly the plane.

Just imagine what life would be like today if satellite communications suddenly went down, there was no Internet and we had to rely on our own abilities and wits just to get by.

I've lived without all those for most of my life but I would be hard put today to manage but I could get by. Anyone totally dependent on electronics could be in real trouble. Without the Internet immediate answers wouldn't be available.

The up side, of course, is that us "old" timers would become invaluable.

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That is no different from past generations who would bemoan that we couldn't hunt, make our own butter, and spin our own wool to make cloth.

Just because we have technology, doesn't mean that people don't live by their wits and their abilities.

For me, I don't need a slide rule. Lets be realistic here. If your job requires it because of certain emergencies, then by all means, learn it. But for someone like me, I don't need a slide rule. I am not going to fault the pilots for not knowing what to do when their electronics gave out, because a lot of times, EVEN knowing how to fly a plane wouldn't have done them any good, because of the way the plane and its electronic components are designed today.

It is like a car - I used to be able to work on my OWN car - knew it inside & out (my clunker of a family car - the bright yellow lemon '72 duster), but now? No way. It is all electronics and you have specialists to work on your car today.

The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair. Douglas Adams

biancardi1342218205.35746967 PostsRegistered 11/7/2005
On 7/13/2012 SydneyH said:
On 7/13/2012 Maggie Nolia said:

And they are our future! It's very sad.

Scary ain't it?

why?

Why do adults have to knock the younger generations? I remember when I was young & how I felt when adults knocked my generation.

Is this a ritual of some kind? lol

The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair. Douglas Adams

Maggie Nol­ia1342218354.4614669 PostsRegistered 1/30/2006
On 7/13/2012 Lyris said:

The other day I signed up for one of those store cards (not a credit card) and the girl asked for my birth month so they could send me a discount or something. I told her and she asked me again. I repeated it and she said - No, I need the number of the month.

I told her, but I was thinking that there are only 12 months, how hard is it to figure out?

OMG! That's a new one for me.

Tell me -- doesn't one's brain just automatically know, without even thinking, that August, for example, is the eighth month?

Buzzards fly in packs. Eagles soar alone.

Pray for the USA.


"Let's roll." ~ Todd Beamer, 9/11/01.

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