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Made in China stoneware - is it safe?

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There is an item on today (Jan 5) in Kitchen Clearance that is stoneware and I was reading the reviews on the product. Someone, in the review section on the item, had posted the review below. Now I know that anyone, can say anything they want in reviews or in online chats so being totally ignorant on the subject, I thought I would ask some of you foodee kitchen tool experts. Anybody know something on this topic? I don't want to knowingly purchase anything that could compromise my family's health.

Here's what a reviewer posted on an item now on sale from the Temptation line:

ONLY Made In USA In My Kitchen
Posted by APAK 10-02-11
Date:10-02-11
Overall Rating
1 out of 5
1 out of 5
"I received these as a gift & when I turned them over & saw the made in china stamp they went back in the box & to the nearest second hand shop.
I cannot comment on the quality, but I can comment on the fact that china has low standards in their manufacturing plants & they have been known to use paints, glazes, colorings & even ingredients to manufacture items that are known to be toxic. Think melamine in baby formula & baby toys.
Sorry Temp-tations but I will not use products where food is involved that is NOT manufactured in this country where our quality standards are to protect people, not just boost a bottom line.
"

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nancypoo1325784156.0831413 PostsRegistered 5/13/2011

Probably. I don't buy it---I don't want to know.

chickenbutt1325785035.33723475 PostsRegistered 1/16/2006chickentown

On one hand, I would say that that review is inappropriate. The information that it is made in China is readily available and, near as I can tell, they make no attempt to hide that information (although, of course, they don't mention it in their presentations).

OTOH, I would say that Chinese-made ceramics/stoneware are most likely perfectly safe as long as you don't use them in the oven, in the microwave, or on the stove.

I'm surprised they let that review go through. It's kind of silly, as the reviewer is not reviewing the actual merchandise. I don't buy these products as I find them profoundly unappealing, but fair is fair.

Bippity boppity BOOYAH!

sfnative1325788051.285265 PostsRegistered 4/23/2007Portland, OR

Good question. I think the answer lies in one's personal interpretation of media accounts, not data (because we have no data).

For me it's a case of too much negative reporting and instances of toxic substances being found in various and sundry products, some causing illness and others death (the extreme).

I would not purchase the stoneware. (Our stoneware was made in Finland and we love it!)

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suzyQ31325788336.2124181 PostsRegistered 3/15/2007
On 1/5/2012 chickenbutt said:

On one hand, I would say that that review is inappropriate. The information that it is made in China is readily available and, near as I can tell, they make no attempt to hide that information (although, of course, they don't mention it in their presentations).

OTOH, I would say that Chinese-made ceramics/stoneware are most likely perfectly safe as long as you don't use them in the oven, in the microwave, or on the stove.

I'm surprised they let that review go through. It's kind of silly, as the reviewer is not reviewing the actual merchandise. I don't buy these products as I find them profoundly unappealing, but fair is fair.

Chickie, you took the words right out of my mouth. That review is totally inappropriate and should be reported. I hope the OP will give us the item number or a link so that those who wish to report it can find it easily.

My personal opinion is that if I did find this line of merchandise appealing, I would not really worry unduly about it. It appears to pass the regulations in my state of California (Prop 65, the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act"), which I believe are the most stringent. As an aside, I hope, probably futilely, that one day such regulations will arise from the federal government and apply to all states.

Will ALL ceramicware, I would be concerned if the glaze has corroded or the surface becomes chipped, cracked, or worn.

Here is one of the best guidelines on this subject that I've found. Here is the LINK , but I also pasted it here for those who can't open pdf files. Please excuse the format.

Do I need to worry about lead
in my dishes?
Lead is a toxic substance that can affect people
of any age. It is especially harmful to children,
pregnant women, and unborn babies. Lead
accumulates in your body, so even small amounts
can pose a health hazard over time. Lead is used in
the glazes or decorations covering the surface of
some ceramic dishes. This lead can get into food
and drink prepared, stored, or served in the dishes.
How important is tableware as a
source of lead exposure?
For most people, tableware alone does not pose a
significant risk of lead exposure. Other sources of
lead, such as lead in paint or soil, are much more
likely to be a problem. In some cases, however,
lead in tableware can be a serious health threat.
Some dishes contain enough lead to cause severe
lead poisoning. Even dishes with lower lead levels
may contribute to a person’s overall lead exposure.
Why is lead still used in
ceramic dishes?
Lead has long been used in ceramicware, both in
glazes and in decorations. When used in a glaze,
lead gives a smooth, glasslike finish that allows
bright colors and decorative patterns underneath
to show through. It provides strength and keeps
moisture from penetrating into the dish. In
decorations, lead is often associated with rich or
intense colors.
Questions and Answers about
Lead in Ceramic Tableware
Contra Costa Health Services / Lead Poisoning Prevention Project
How does lead get from dishes
into the body?
Lead can be released from the glaze or decoration
on the surface of the dish and pass into the food or
drink in the dish. This is called “leaching.” Then,
when you eat the food, the lead gets into your
body. The amount of lead that leaches from a dish
depends on the amount of lead in the dish, the type
of glazing, how the dish is used, what kind of food
is put in it, and how long food is left in the dish.
What types of dishes and glazes
may contain lead?
What should I look for?
There are many thousands of kinds of ceramics
used for cooking, serving, or storing foods and
liquids. No one has tested them all and you cannot
tell for sure whether a dish has lead just by looking
at it. However, some types of dishes are more
likely to have lead. Watch for:
Traditional glazed
terra cotta (clay)
dishware made in some
Latin American
countries, such as
Mexican bean pots.
They are often quite
rustic and usually
have a transparent glaze. Use of these pots is
especially hazardous. Do not use them for
cooking, serving or storing food.
Highly decorated traditional dishes used in some
Asian communities.
Homemade and hand-crafted tableware, either
from the U.S. or a foreign country, unless you
are sure the maker used a lead-free glaze.
Bright colors or decorations on inside dish
surfaces that touch the food or drink. This
includes the upper rim of a cup or bowl.
Decorations on top of the glaze instead of
beneath it. If the decorations are rough or raised,
if you can feel the decoration when you rub your
finger over the dish, or if you can see brush
strokes above the glazed surface, the decoration
is probably on top of the glaze. If the decoration
has begun to wear away, there may be an even
greater lead hazard.
Antique tableware handed down in families or
found in antique stores, flea markets and garage
sales. These dishes were made before lead in
tableware was regulated.
Corroded glaze, or a dusty or chalky gray residue
on the glaze after a piece has been washed.
Tableware in this condition may represent a
serious lead hazard. Stop using it at once.
Lead is rarely found in plain white dishes. Lead-
containing glazes or decorations on the outside of
dishes or non-food surfaces are generally not a
problem.
Are there any laws against selling
tableware that contains lead?
The U.S. Food and Drug administration regulates
the sale of tableware that contains lead. Tableware
exceeding the FDA levels cannot be sold legally in
the U.S.
In California, Proposition 65 requires businesses to
provide warnings when they expose the public to
hazardous chemicals like lead. Proposition 65
standards for lead in dishes are much stricter than
the FDA standards.
Proposition 65 does not ban any tableware from
sale. It does require that a warning be posted if
dishware leaches more lead than Proposition 65
allows. A yellow triangle and a warning message
must be placed on or next to
these dishes when they are sold
or displayed for sale. Be aware
that some small businesses are
exempt from the warning requirements,
and that there is no system of inspections
to monitor compliance with Proposition 65.
Tableware with lead levels below Proposition 65
standards is considered safe to use.
What’s the difference between
“lead-free” and “lead-safe”?
Lead-free tableware contains NO lead.
Lead-safe tableware contains some lead, but the
amount of lead that can get into food does not
exceed the California Proposition 65 standards.
Either there is very little lead in the tableware, or
very little of the lead actually passes into food with
use.
How can I find out if my dishes
are safe?
You can find out if your dishes meet Proposition 65
standards for lead if they are new or are still being
sold by a major retail store. There are three ways to
get this information:
Ask at the store where the dishes are sold if the
dishes meet Proposition 65 standards. If the
salesperson can’t tell you, ask for the customer
service department, tableware buyer, or quality
control manager.
Find out from the manufacturer if the dishes
meet Proposition 65 standards. The retail store
can give you contact information for the
manufacturer. Also, many manufacturers have
toll-free “800” numbers for customer service.
For “800” directory assistance, call (800) 555-
1212.
The Environmental Defense Fund (EDF)
published a brochure several years ago called
What You Should Know About Lead in China
Dishes. It has a list of many dish patterns made
by major manufacturers that meet Proposition 65
standards for lead. This list contains many, but
not all, safe patterns. It also contains a list of
some manufacturers’ telephone numbers.
To request a copy of the brochure, call (800)
684-3322. The list is also available online at:
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/
article.cfm?ContentID=952
Other types of tableware must be tested to
detect the presence of lead. This includes
tableware that is:
purchased outside of the United States;
hand-crafted;
older or no longer available for purchase;
purchased in a small independent retail outlet
(like a neighborhood store);
acquired in any other situation where the
manufacturer can’t be contacted.
Can I use a home test kit to check
my tableware for lead?
The only way to determine if certain tableware has
lead is to test it. Home lead test kits can tell you if
the dishes have leachable lead. These tests are most
useful in detecting high levels of lead. In many
cases, they are not sensitive enough to tell whether
the dishes meet Proposition 65 standards, or to
detect lower levels which might still represent a
lead hazard.
Home test kits use a “quick color test” system.
These kits contain chemicals that turn color when
applied to a surface which contains significant
quantities of leachable lead. There are several
brands of lead test kits on the market. They can
usually be found at hardware, paint, and home
improvement stores. Each brand is different.
Be sure to carefully read and follow the
instructions provided with the test kit.
“Quick color tests” are especially useful in
detecting high levels of lead in tableware.
However, they only detect the PRESENCE of lead,
not the AMOUNT. The only way to find out the
exact amount of lead that dishes leach is to send
them to a laboratory for testing. In addition to
being expensive, this can damage the dish.
Is it safe to use leaded crystal?
Occasional use of leaded crystal will not expose
you to large amounts of lead, unless liquids have
been stored in a leaded crystal container.
Nevertheless, children should never eat or drink out
of leaded crystalware. Do not store food or alcohol
in leaded crystal decanters or containers. The
longer food or drink sits in crystalware, the greater
the chances are that lead will leach into it. In
addition, the amount of lead that leaches into the
food or drink will increase with time.
Does washing leaded dishes in
the dishwasher affect the lead?
If a dish contains lead, using the dishwasher can
damage the glazed surface. This can make it more
likely to leach lead into food the next time it is
used. In some cases, lead may also contaminate
other dishes in the dishwasher.
Will the lead leach only if there
are cracks or chips in the surface?
No. The lead-leaching process can still take place
even if the surface is not broken or worn. However,
if the surface is chipped, cracked, or worn there
may be a greater exposure to lead.
Will the level of lead I am exposed
to from my dishes increase or
decrease over time?
The answer is not the same for all dishes. Under
some circumstances, as dishes get older, they may
leach more lead into food or drink.
How can I reduce the chances
that my dishes will expose me
to lead?
The safest practice is not to use tableware that you
are unsure of with food or drink. In particular, if
you do not know whether a dish contains lead,
do not use it in your everyday routine. This is
especially true for tableware used by children,
pregnant women, or nursing mothers. Here are
some general guidelines:
Do not heat food in dishes that contain or might
contain lead. Cooking or microwaving speeds
the lead-leaching process.
Do not store foods in dishes that contain or
might contain lead. The longer food stays in
contact with a dish surface that leaches lead, the
more lead will be drawn into the food.
Do not put highly acidic foods or liquids in
dishware that contains or might contain lead.
Acidic foods and drinks leach lead out of dishes
much faster than non-acid foods. Common acidic
foods include citrus fruits, apples, tomatoes, soy
sauce, and salad dressing. Many drinks are also
acidic, such as fruit juices, sodas (especially cola
drinks), alcoholic beverages, coffee and tea.
Common non-acidic foods include rice or
potatoes; water and milk are non-acidic drinks.
Any combination of these three factors can increase
the risk of exposing you to lead. An example would
be storing spaghetti with tomato sauce in a lead-
glazed ceramic dish, then heating it in the same
dish in the microwave.

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