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Gem experts - is blue corundum the same as sapphire?

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Curious to know if it's actually sapphire?

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chickenbutt1317521586.29325005 PostsRegistered 1/16/2006chickentown

Yes, that is what sapphire is. There are several colors of corundum, including red corundum which is a ruby.

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NicksMom1317521908.2773180 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004Philadelphia Suburbs, PA

Thank you chickenbutt :) I was hoping that's what it was.

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JLLH3581317522006.8435032 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004

Yes, although I think jewelry vendors are starting to use "corundum" for those stones that are more opaque rather than saying "sapphire" and/or "ruby". HTH!

ennui1317522088.48319957 PostsRegistered 4/17/2007

Look at it this way -- if it were truly gem quality, they'd call it sapphire.

After all, diamonds are just carbon.

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NicksMom1317522262.4873180 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004Philadelphia Suburbs, PA
On 10/1/2011 JLLH358 said:

Yes, although I think jewelry vendors are starting to use "corundum" for those stones that are more opaque rather than saying "sapphire" and/or "ruby". HTH!

Hmmm that's interesting b/c the Ripka ring I just got is the most clear stone I've seen - not opaque at all. Thanks for chiming in!!

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ennui1317522299.60719957 PostsRegistered 4/17/2007
On 10/1/2011 NicksMom said:
On 10/1/2011 JLLH358 said:

Yes, although I think jewelry vendors are starting to use "corundum" for those stones that are more opaque rather than saying "sapphire" and/or "ruby". HTH!

Hmmm that's interesting b/c the Ripka ring I just got is the most clear stone I've seen - not opaque at all. Thanks for chiming in!!

Is it a doublet?

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chickenbutt1317522738.96725005 PostsRegistered 1/16/2006chickentown

I've seen some things that say 'synthetic corundum'. That, of course, would not be an actual sapphire. If it's from that line, and it has excellent clarity, it's probably synthetic.

I agree with the others and would be kind of leery if something was called corundum insteade of sapphire or ruby. I love both (good quality only!), but I don't buy sterling or costume.

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star8261317523347.25312389 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004Coastal Ripkaland bordering Bixbyville and Dawkinstown

NM posted a link to the JR ring she bought at Bloomies... It's not a genuine blue sapphire and I'm hoping she won't be disappointed. JR would never have a gen sapphy for that price. It's stated as a blue corundum and does look like a sapphire, but I think it must be dyed ir as they say color enhanced...

I hope you still enjoy :)

It's a pretty ring :)

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NicksMom1317524298.273180 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004Philadelphia Suburbs, PA

http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main/ProductDetail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524446437337&afsrc=1&site_refer=GGLPRADS001&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=0885569646339&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}

there's the link to the ring I bought at bloomies (but it's on the saks website). It says blue corundum so I don't think it would be synthetic. Either way - i love the ring :) THanks ladies for filling me in on the differences in gems.{#emotions_dlg.wub}

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manicshopp­er1317526389.4032828 PostsRegistered 10/21/2009Never Never Land
On 10/1/2011 ennui said:

Look at it this way -- if it were truly gem quality, they'd call it sapphire.

After all, diamonds are just carbon.

Good way to put it ennui; I've seen a lot of dyed stones on ShopNBC - some designers will go out on a limb and call them "sapphires" and "rubys" but i think it is just the really bad rough from which they have probably mined good sapphires (or rubies), but taken the ugly rough, dyed it and called it a sapphire or ruby. Technically they are not "wrong" - you can call dyed chorundum a sapphire, but that doesn't mean it is a gem quality stone worth much.

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KSPA1317528687.3347 PostsRegistered 4/1/2011

I had the same question a few weeks ago when I was considering buying a pair of blue corundum earrings from a JR boutique...the sales rep told me that any thing in the JR line named "corundum" is a lab created stone and that all natural stones are named sapphires. Hope this helps.

newjerseyg­irl1317556800.1633662 PostsRegistered 11/20/2007Central New Jersey
On 10/1/2011 NicksMom said:

http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main/ProductDetail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524446437337&afsrc=1&site_refer=GGLPRADS001&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=0885569646339&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}

there's the link to the ring I bought at bloomies (but it's on the saks website). It says blue corundum so I don't think it would be synthetic. Either way - i love the ring :) THanks ladies for filling me in on the differences in gems.{#emotions_dlg.wub}

That's a very pretty ring NicksMom. I hope you eNJoy wearing it.

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lavenderju­nkie1317565412.70313327 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004
On 10/1/2011 KSPA said:

I had the same question a few weeks ago when I was considering buying a pair of blue corundum earrings from a JR boutique...the sales rep told me that any thing in the JR line named "corundum" is a lab created stone and that all natural stones are named sapphires. Hope this helps.

That is exactly what I would have assumed. No one selling natural sapphires would call them anything but sapphires. That doesn't mean all natural sapphires are good quality, and some natural sapphires can be color enhanced, flawed, or even set as doublets. But if someone calls it corundum... assume it's lab created.... same optical, chemical, and physical properties as natural sapphire, and generally very good color and clarity.

judyakm1317583865.7234123 PostsRegistered 12/18/2007Wine County CA
On 10/1/2011 manicshopper said:
On 10/1/2011 ennui said:

Look at it this way -- if it were truly gem quality, they'd call it sapphire.

After all, diamonds are just carbon.

Good way to put it ennui; I've seen a lot of dyed stones on ShopNBC - some designers will go out on a limb and call them "sapphires" and "rubys" but i think it is just the really bad rough from which they have probably mined good sapphires (or rubies), but taken the ugly rough, dyed it and called it a sapphire or ruby. Technically they are not "wrong" - you can call dyed chorundum a sapphire, but that doesn't mean it is a gem quality stone worth much.

This is very informative and the way I will look at it from now on. But the real point Nicks Mom is that if you love it and the price is right for you, then you have gotten a great deal on something beautiful that you love!!! That's pretty much my goal when I buy a piece of jewelry! Enjoy!

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NicksMom1317600738.6073180 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004Philadelphia Suburbs, PA
On 10/2/2011 judyakm said:
On 10/1/2011 manicshopper said:
On 10/1/2011 ennui said:

Look at it this way -- if it were truly gem quality, they'd call it sapphire.

After all, diamonds are just carbon.

Good way to put it ennui; I've seen a lot of dyed stones on ShopNBC - some designers will go out on a limb and call them "sapphires" and "rubys" but i think it is just the really bad rough from which they have probably mined good sapphires (or rubies), but taken the ugly rough, dyed it and called it a sapphire or ruby. Technically they are not "wrong" - you can call dyed chorundum a sapphire, but that doesn't mean it is a gem quality stone worth much.

This is very informative and the way I will look at it from now on. But the real point Nicks Mom is that if you love it and the price is right for you, then you have gotten a great deal on something beautiful that you love!!! That's pretty much my goal when I buy a piece of jewelry! Enjoy!

Thanks Judy - and you are right - I love it and the price was perfect. I had seen it on wednesday - had them hold it for me till the sale started - and I could not stop thinking about it - so I knew I had to get it. I don't care if it's synthetic, dyed, or lab created or real - I was just curious really about what blue corundum was since I had not heard of it before. :)

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NicksMom1317600776.063180 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004Philadelphia Suburbs, PA
On 10/2/2011 newjerseygirl said:
On 10/1/2011 NicksMom said:

http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main/ProductDetail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524446437337&afsrc=1&site_refer=GGLPRADS001&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=0885569646339&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}

there's the link to the ring I bought at bloomies (but it's on the saks website). It says blue corundum so I don't think it would be synthetic. Either way - i love the ring :) THanks ladies for filling me in on the differences in gems.{#emotions_dlg.wub}

That's a very pretty ring NicksMom. I hope you eNJoy wearing it.

Thanks NewJerseygirl -I will definitely love wearing it :)

~ the original NicksMom

Muse Struck1317662352.895426 PostsRegistered 7/15/2007southeast

The girls are right who said Judith's corundum is lab created and structurally identical to sapphire. I have on her blue corundum monaco with white sapphire shanks right now, as well as the corundum/white sapphire ambrosia cross on a black 'y" cord. Topped off with the snake bracelet and hoops, and it's one of my favorite JR looks!

ETA: That ring is a stunner! I know you're going to love it. The HE corundum is such a believable, velvety navy hue.

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NicksMom1317680053.943180 PostsRegistered 10/6/2004Philadelphia Suburbs, PA
On 10/3/2011 Muse Struck said:

The girls are right who said Judith's corundum is lab created and structurally identical to sapphire. I have on her blue corundum monaco with white sapphire shanks right now, as well as the corundum/white sapphire ambrosia cross on a black 'y" cord. Topped off with the snake bracelet and hoops, and it's one of my favorite JR looks!

ETA: That ring is a stunner! I know you're going to love it. The HE corundum is such a believable, velvety navy hue.

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Hi Muse! Thanks for your thoughts too. The ambrosia cross sounds wonderful - was it something offered on Q or in her other line? Sounds like something I'd love to own one day. You are so right on the color of the HE corundum - that's exactly how it looked velvety navy hue!

Laurie

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RedConvert­ibleGirl1317680424.16714522 PostsRegistered 9/3/2005Pacific NW

For that price, color and size of the stone there is no way that is would be a natural sapphire. It would have to be synthetic or lab created.

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manicshopp­er1317747937.1732828 PostsRegistered 10/21/2009Never Never Land
On 10/2/2011 lavenderjunkie said:
On 10/1/2011 KSPA said:

I had the same question a few weeks ago when I was considering buying a pair of blue corundum earrings from a JR boutique...the sales rep told me that any thing in the JR line named "corundum" is a lab created stone and that all natural stones are named sapphires. Hope this helps.

That is exactly what I would have assumed. No one selling natural sapphires would call them anything but sapphires. That doesn't mean all natural sapphires are good quality, and some natural sapphires can be color enhanced, flawed, or even set as doublets. But if someone calls it corundum... assume it's lab created.... same optical, chemical, and physical properties as natural sapphire, and generally very good color and clarity.

Here is the perfect example of calling a dyed corundum a ruby/sapphire/emerald:

http://www.shopnbc.com/Sterling_Silver_Dyed_Opaque_Emerald_Ruby_Blue_Sapphire_or_Purple_Sapphire_Earrings/J316423.aspx?storeid=1&track=-10102&ciid=11281&cm_re=TV1-_-ONAIR-_-N

(I know that we've established that the JR ring in question here was a lab created, but I saw ShopNBC selling these today and this is what I meant. And - by the way - the ring that is the topic in this thread IS a FABULOUS ring!!! {#emotions_dlg.thumbup})

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Fluffy-21317752247.3573339 PostsRegistered 8/3/2011+ 4464 Posts since Aug. 2009
On 10/1/2011 NicksMom said:

http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main/ProductDetail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524446437337&afsrc=1&site_refer=GGLPRADS001&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=0885569646339&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}

there's the link to the ring I bought at bloomies (but it's on the saks website). It says blue corundum so I don't think it would be synthetic. Either way - i love the ring :) THanks ladies for filling me in on the differences in gems.{#emotions_dlg.wub}

It's lab created. Natural sapphire of this size and quality would cost $100.000

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kitty9871317832460.7271991 PostsRegistered 5/26/2008

It should be but no one calls sapphire blue corundum so there is probably a catch. Like it's dyed or coated or something like that. Kind of like red sapphire. Most people know red corundum is a ruby. But for a while there was a lot of red sapphire around. They were coated.

manicshopp­er1317832789.4372828 PostsRegistered 10/21/2009Never Never Land
On 10/5/2011 kitty987 said:

It should be but no one calls sapphire blue corundum so there is probably a catch. Like it's dyed or coated or something like that. Kind of like red sapphire. Most people know red corundum is a ruby. But for a while there was a lot of red sapphire around. They were coated.

I had always heard that for a ruby - it depended on the shade of red before it became a 'ruby'. Didn't know a coated red sapphire could also be coated. So many things with gemstones to be aware of!!

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