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I missed it, why didn't Jackie Kennedy have real pearls?

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Something was sputtering on the stove and I missed the story again. Was anyone paying attention?

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Ms Lorraine12648958374171 PostsRegistered 6/9/2008
I don't think he's ever said why. But if they were good enough for Jackie Kennedy, they're good enough for me! Actually, I've been a snob about fake pearls but these are beautiful and I wouldn't be embarrassed to wear them.
How about someone who has them chiming in with an opinion?

julsthesho­pper126489599445 PostsRegistered 1/2/2008
He said that back in the 60's not enough real pearls were available, at any price, that were consistent in size and color.

circles126489615917329 PostsRegistered 5/11/2005N.J.
Patti kept thanking Mr Katz for coming at the last moment...
What was suppose to fill that hour...anyone know???
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esmeraldag­ooch126489641811955 PostsRegistered 1/7/2008Adopt a Rescue Pet, who rescues who?
> He said that back in the 60's not enough real pearls
> were available, at any price, that were consistent in
> size and color.
I guess they forgot about Mikimoto. http://tinyurl.com/yggn2wn
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circles126489663417329 PostsRegistered 5/11/2005N.J.
I have a Mikimoto necklace and earrings...they are
stunning.....Christmas gift from an ex...several years ago...
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jewel312648995681769 PostsRegistered 6/11/2006West Coast
sorry, double post
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jewel312648996851769 PostsRegistered 6/11/2006West Coast
I don't think it was because real matched pearls were rare. It's just that good fakes were so readily available that there was no need to buy real. Coco Chanel used a lot of fake pearl strands and she was a fashion arbiter of the rich of that era. There was a certain cache' in mixing real jewels and fakes.
Jacqueline was also practical and there were no worries about her children grabbing them or any other way of breaking the strand and losing a pearl or two.
She was not the only wealthy woman to mix fakes w/real.



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brava412648997121940 PostsRegistered 6/25/2005Northern Virginia
Mrs. Bush (Sr.) always wore fake pearls too.
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jewel312648997951769 PostsRegistered 6/11/2006West Coast
She still does.



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julsthesho­pper126490217245 PostsRegistered 1/2/2008
Jewel3, regardless of what you 'think', I am merely repeating what Phillip said. I think he is certainly more qualified to speak on this subject than we are.

Gert126490246296 PostsRegistered 10/18/2006
ross-simons was listed on the schedule. Maybe they couldn't make it because of the weather.

depglass126496411723719 PostsRegistered 11/14/2006
No, JFK wasn't cheap. If you have been following these shows at all over the years, Philip often talks how JFK commissioned custom pieces to be made by jewelers like Tiffany and Van Cleef and Arpels.

Venezia12649675022717 PostsRegistered 4/10/2007
> Jewel3, regardless of what you 'think', I am merely
> repeating what Phillip said. I think he is certainly
> more qualified to speak on this subject than we are.
I don't think there's any reason to be so snappy to another poster. She was merely stating what she thought and she's entitled to do that. This is a forum for discussion, after all. I don't think she was trying to 'challenge' what you said. JMO.
Can you tell us the item that was being presented when the vendor made the comments about why Jackie never wore real pearls?
I've watched each of the videos for the items presented and the only reason I heard him give was that all the pearls worn by Jackie were her mother's - and that all of her mother's pieces were faux pearls. Certainly Jackie's mother would have purchased or been given these long before the 60s. I'd love to hear what he has to say about that.

shesallthat12649678409946 PostsRegistered 4/4/2005
>>He said that back in the 60's not enough real pearls were available, >>at any price, that were consistent in size and color.
that is what i have heard him say a couple of times also. i love to watch her jewelry shows and listen to the stories behind it.
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cherry126496866516348 PostsRegistered 1/8/2005
I don't know how available the size of pearls they wanted to wear were then
It takes years for a pearl to become a biggish size...All of the society matrons and Grand Dames wore fakes it seems..Many of Jackie's pearls came from her mother....

esmeraldag­ooch126496915611955 PostsRegistered 1/7/2008Adopt a Rescue Pet, who rescues who?
The three strand only has Simulated pearls measuring approximately 6.0mm and 8.0mm . Mikimoto has been sucessfully culturing this size for decades. This story doesn't make sense.
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RebeccaJ1264969372823 PostsRegistered 2/28/2008Northeast Georgia
> The three strand only has Simulated pearls measuring
> approximately 6.0mm and 8.0mm . Mikimoto has been
> sucessfully culturing this size for decades. This
> story doesn't make sense.
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> EZZY
Ezzy,
I think it was also because of WWII -- Japan -- etc. Can you imagine the wife of the US president wearing pearls obtained from Japan less than 20 years after the war ended? Talk about a publicity nightmare!
Rebecca
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endoqueen12649696291270 PostsRegistered 7/6/2008parallel universe
Yeah -
I've been curious about this too. Certainly Jackie could afford a boatload of pearls if she wanted them. I can't imagine someone like her who loved pearls not having ANY ? real pearls?
Real pearls were certainly around and available for centuries. Having Chanel pieces is one thing, but not having any real pearls seems too bizarre to me.
I would like to know whether that is true.
Endoqueen

RebeccaJ1264970165823 PostsRegistered 2/28/2008Northeast Georgia
I just found this interesting article on-line; here's part of it (about cultured pearls):
William Sawville-Kent died shortly after discovering this secret technique, but not before sharing his secret with two Japanese nationals; a Mr. Tatsuhei Mise and Mr. Tokishi Nishikawa. Mise and Nishikawa returned to Japan with this technique and immediately filed for patents. At this same time pearl farmer Kokichi Mikimoto was culturing blister pearls but desperately seeking the secret to whole pearl culturing. The secret had finally come to Japan!
After multiple court battles Kokichi Mikimoto finally succeeded in securing a patent for whole pearl cultivation in 1916. The cultured pearl industry it was called the Mikimoto Pearl Company.
For more than 50 years the Japanese closely guarded their national secret and maintained a virtual monopoly of pearl cultivation and marketing. Even ventures outside of Japan in Australia, French Polynesia, Thailand, and Burma were under the direction of Japanese grafting technicians and operational specialists. Technicians swore an oath to never reveal the secret of pearl culture.
This well-kept secret remained with the Japanese until the late 1950s and early 1960s when other countries finally developed the same methods for pearl culturing. China began culturing akoya pearls in the 1960s as did Tahiti with black South Sea pearls. Australia soon followed suit producing the largest and most valuable of all cultured pearls South Sea pearls from the Pinctada maxima pearl oyster.

source: http://www.articlesbase.com/jewelry-articles/the-origin-of-cultured-pearls-1065596.html
I think we are now so used to matched cultured pearls it seems unreal that they haven't been around forever -- but, they haven't and most of us couldn't have afforded the natural ones!! :-p:^O
Rebecca
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cherry126497112116348 PostsRegistered 1/8/2005
It sounds like they were available but perhaps not plentiful for a long time, and they might not have look as good in the early days as they did later
Despite the common misconception, Mikimoto did not patent the process of cultured pearls. The accepted practice was developed by a team of scientists at Tokyo University, headed by Tokichi Nishikawa, who was granted the patent in 1916. He married the daughter of Mikimoto and Mikimoto was able to use the technology. Mikimoto did make a crucial discovery in the culturing of pearls, he experimented with everything from glass to lead to wood to nucleate the oysters. By trial and error over a number of years he discovered the highest success rates were from using round nuclei cut from U.S. mussel shell.
http://www.squidoo.com/thequeenofgems

esmeraldag­ooch126497119111955 PostsRegistered 1/7/2008Adopt a Rescue Pet, who rescues who?
> > The three strand only has Simulated pearls
> measuring
> > approximately 6.0mm and 8.0mm . Mikimoto has
> been
> > sucessfully culturing this size for decades.
> This
> > story doesn't make sense.
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> > EZZY
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> Ezzy,
> I think it was also because of WWII -- Japan -- etc.
> Can you imagine the wife of the US president wearing
> g pearls obtained from Japan less than 20 years after
> the war ended? Talk about a publicity nightmare!
> Rebecca
>
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> Edited by RebeccaJ at 01/31/2010 11:24 AM PST
This may be true, but at one time Mikimoto thought so much of the United states he created some beautiful monuments as gifts .
It is a tradition in the Pearl Industry of creating pearl replicas of significant monumental structures. First in 1926, Mikimoto created a replica of the Five Storied Pagoda (Japanese Temple) and took it to the Philadelphia World Fair, it is now in the Mikimoto Museum. Then in 1933, he visited Mount Vernon (birthplace of George Washington) and was so impressed by the town he produced a replica of it and donated it to the Smithsonian Museum. In 1939, Mikimoto crafted the Liberty Bell out of pearls with the intent to donate it as a peace offering before WWII but war broke out and he didn''t donate it.
The Capitol was commissioned by Imperial Pearl Syndicate to Japanese Company in 1959. It was presented to the U.S. Historical Society on February 1, 1966 as "a tribute to the rebirth of the cultured pearl industry after World War II." (Peter Bazar, President of Imperial-Deltah
)
http://tinyurl.com/yl4o7f9
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endoqueen12649718471270 PostsRegistered 7/6/2008parallel universe
Thank you RebbecaJ!
I remember reading that an Englishman actually developed the pearl culturing technique and that Mikimoto then further developed it.
Hard to believe that Jackie didn't own any Mikimotos in her lifetime.
Endoqueen
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cherry126497269516348 PostsRegistered 1/8/2005
If you listen to this video it is said repeatedly Jackie's Pearls were all faux..He says it many times...I don't think he is going to infuriate the family by lying about her..and if he is lying it must be done at their behest
http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.item.J7130.desc.Jacqueline-Kennedy-Reproduction-Simulated-Pearl21Necklace

Margo Chan­ning126497363113316 PostsRegistered 11/29/2007
My bff 's mother went to college with one of the Kennedy girls. The PRESIDENT of the college went into all her classes before she came in and told them they were not to speak to her or even look directly at her.I could say more, but I won't.........
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Qgirl12649747714167 PostsRegistered 4/20/2005
I find that so interesting considering that Marilyn Monroe had a strand of Mikimotos in the 50's. Also, what about the engagement or wedding bangle they used to sell on QVC. Didn't the original have real pearls in it?
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